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George I dug through my considerable archive and could not find one thing Tom has contributed to the list of any use. Sure he makes a comment here and there but no explanation of his techniques other than "I've made 10,000 dives with my gear and it hasn't killed me yet" type of stuff. I also may point out that a university professor does not use his classroom to market business he has an official or "good 'ol boy" vested interest in (unless things have changed since I was a student). If Tom wanted to market the VR-3 for his buddy Gurr, he should have come out with it, explained his relationship with Phoenix, IANTD and Gurr and this product and then perhaps said something a bit more detailed than his lame and contradictory post. It would have been the right thing to do. You JJ, GUE, EE and Halcyon have never been shy about who runs what. I had to have someone send me an anonymous e-mail to point out the relationship I just suspected between Tom and the stupid computer. I am not impressed with this at all. I have no doubt that Tom is a nice fellow and probably the ideal person to sit down and knock back a couple of bottles of Scotch with, but Diving is his business and to IANTD and TDI information is treated as a profitable commodity and all you idiots out there need to realise this. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------- Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ > From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey) > Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 06:42:07 -0400 > To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>, <ScottBonis@ao*.co*>, > <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Subject: RE: Trimix Computers > > > Jim, Tom has not killed himself for one reason - he never does a real dive. > If he tried one with his methods, I would have him in my dead pool . My > other nick name for him is Tom Thumb. By the same token, he has no business > discussing those of us who do or our organizations, or GUE which was formed > because of him. He also has no business constantly hawking dive gear for the > worst known idiots out there, which is all he ever seems to do. > > Have you ever seen him recommend anything we use? ( Not that he has any need > of it ) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:52 PM > To: ScottBonis@ao*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: Re: Trimix Computers > > > Fuck it Scott, I call 'em as I see 'em. I have said nothing bad about old > Tom, I just called him on his blatant attempt to reel in some suckers on > buying a worthless piece of shit trimix dive computer. What the hell is > wrong with that? I think I just may have just saved a few bone-heads out > there $1900, that makes this a fine day. > > From your point of view there are some stupid fucks out there with more > money than brains and Tom deserves to sop up this gravy simply because he > has not killed himself yet, what with doing all that deep air shit. It is > truly a fucking miracle when you think about it. > > No, Scott, I have a Noble Cause here, the exposure of sleazy back door > deals, slimey rationalizations and other quackery in the sport of diving. > It's enough to make you want to puke. *I* am the one on the high ground > here, my friend. You would have to be blind not to see it. > > This is not an argument about diving skills and such, this is an argument of > the moral right thing to do vs. somebody using their exaulted position to > squeeze cash out of gullible bone headed divers. You know I'm right. Say, > you don't have any money invested in this goddamn VR-3 piece of crap, do > you? Tell the truth Scott and it will set you free. > > Jim > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ > >> From: <ScottBonis@ao*.co*> >> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:22:22 EDT >> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com >> Subject: Re: Trimix Computers >> >> Hi Jim, >> >> You may recall that you and I have butted heads a number of times in the >> past, as well as agreeing on various subjects also. But I see another > head >> butting coming on. >> >> I have on numerous occasions chastised posters on the net for saying >> derogatory things about Trey. Not ever for arguing about his opinions or >> advice (which are usually pretty sound), but for showing a lack of respect >> for his accomplishments and dedication to the sport of diving. There > comes a >> point that even if I disagree with what is being said, I must respect the >> speaker if he has earned a certain position in the community. A freshman >> doesn't challenge a full professor. He or she may question, but never > accuse >> or direct. After the freshman has graduated and contributed to the >> community, then he or she may argue. >> >> Now I must request that you display a greater respect for several of the >> people in the dive community who don't happen to be associated with the > WKPP >> or GUE. Tom Mount, whether or not you agree with his dive techniques, is > one >> of the clear leaders and outstanding figures in the technical diving >> community. He at IANTD, along with Ed Betts at ANDI, Bret Gilliam at TDI, >> et. al. for example, are, whether or not you choose to accept it, among > the >> true pioneers in technical diving. These people and others like them, are >> our teachers and have devoted major portions of their lives to advancing >> diving techniques and making the sport safer for all of us. >> >> Perhaps you now feel that some of the information being presented by these >> organizations has been superseded by new data that points in a new > direction. >> This may be so. But it does not give you the right or even simply >> permission, to forget that these people and organizations have persevered > and >> should have earned your respect. >> >> Trey, by virtue of his unique position as a nonprofessional whose >> accomplishments, experience and contributions to the body of technical > diving >> knowledge have earned him the respect of divers worldwide, happens to have > a >> confrontational communication style. Because of his position I, and most >> others who wish to learn, overlook this as a personal negative. It is his >> way and we accept him for what he is and what he has to offer. And we are >> appreciative for his time and efforts. >> >> But make no mistake that you have certainly not earned a similar position. >> In my opinion, you have no business whatever telling Tom Mount or the > others, >> what they SHOULD be doing. They are the teachers and you are the student. >> They tell you. You listen quietly, ask for more information, choose what > is >> right for you and make your own decisions. But you do not pretend to be > on >> the level of your teachers and direct them. That is pure ego. >> >> Let's not forget that we live in an ordered society where true respect is >> earned over many years of accomplishment and service, not simply by who > can >> yell the loudest or type the most curse words into his or her computer. I >> consider myself really fortunate to have had the opportunity to learn from >> individuals of this caliber. >> >> Jim, I think that you ought to consider this carefully and perhaps modify >> your approach when communicating with these folks. And I need to say here >> that although this message is addressed to you Jim, I am actually also >> speaking to a number of the other posters on this list. >> >> But then OTOH, this is simply one diver's opinion. >> >> Take care and dive safe, Scott >> >> Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints > and >> scramble up out of the pit. >> >> >> >> In a message dated 5/23/01 9:12:32 PM, cobber@ci*.co* writes: >> << Tom- >> Maybe not but there are plenty of diveshops out there who would >> love to sell some of these high margin pieces of shit and saying what you >> said below is about as close to a promotion as you can get. Did you > purchase >> yours or was it a promo? >> <snip> >> Tom, as I recall you used to stuff the long hose, use bungee wings, use >> steel stages, dive deep air, etc. Don't make this mistake too. >> >> -- >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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