Tom, when Uwatec quit making the bottom timers that read past 328, we began
looking for something else. Suunto has the Vyper which fills the bill and
is very cheap, as in about the price of a bottom timer. We use it in "gauge
mode", not as a computer. It also has the download functions which we use
in WKPP to record our profiles for DAN should there be an accident,  and for
the Navy to study our deco, and for Duke University, as well a our own
records and Eric Baker's deco .program development.

In WKPP and GUE we teach people about deco, we do not let them rely on a
dive "computer", and by the way none of them work for decompression
anyway, they are bs, but you would have no way of knowing that anyway.

You are not qualified to discuss what we do in WKPP , or what
JJ does with GUE, and the only post you should be making to this list is an
apology for the years of damage you have done to diving. Nobody is about to
listen to gear recommendations from you - you have been wrong too many
times, and you are usually talking out of your ass anyway.

 By the way, next time you want to be a smart ass and make up a t shirt,
like that "stroke" shirt you think is so clever, make one with a list of
your court appearances on the back, like one of those rock concert shirts -
that would be more appropriate.


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Mount [mailto:TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:17 AM
To: Jim Cobb; Z; FLTechDiver@mikey.net; Tech Diver
Subject: Re: Trimix Computers


Gee and Halcyon is GUE and WKPP right hand and gets bucks from them and vice
versa

Second Kevin gets money from cets in UK he also distributes proplanner and
the VR 3 so he makes money from them so what

No I did not get a free one and IANTD does not sell the VR 3 in the USA it
is sold by OMS

Do I use it yes and guys so what I also dive 90% of the time on CCR and use
decap on the Cis, CPM 0n the CCR 2000, and will be using Will's new program
with my Megalodon

Yes I always run tables just for a backup and I have most likely used
software more than any of you guys and most likely before many of you "so
called experts" were even diving. We even used to make our own tables from
scratch which is quite easy to do. But all in all I prefer computers and I
could care less what you prefer, as it is your right to think and decide you
know like the shirt says thinking divers only


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: "Z" <mzurl@be*.ne*>; <FLTechDiver@mikey.net>; "Tech Diver"
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: Trimix Computers


> You did not get my point. With a laptop computer and a tables program like
> decoplanner, you can spend hours before the dive analysing different
> profiles, deco gasses, bailout situations, etc.
>
> You also learn your personal tolerances and can account for these as well.
>
> And don't tell me you can do this worth a crap with a wrist unit.
>
> By the way, check out this little tidbit:
>
> IANTD(UK) is run by Kevin Gurr http://www.iantd.com/iantd-uk.html
> he gets  bucks for every IANTD card sold & is Toms right hand man.
>
> VR3 POS is made by the very same guy http://www.vr3.co.uk/
> (look at the phone number on the Left & the Phoenix logo)
>
> I have been reliably informed that all IANTD Trimix courses in the UK,
> promote the VR3 as the way to dive trimix - no doubt the instructor gets a
> kick back on every VR3 sold.
>
> Tom obviously got a copy of free ones.
>
> My, we are an incestuous little group, aren't we?
>
> > Jim
> > IANTD does not have a contract with any manufacture
> > in anything other than training issues and even there it is just
agreements
> > to provide training programs on whatever it is
>
> Tom, your audience is not composed entirely of idiots, although it appears
> that you assume this is the case.
>
>    Jim
>
>  -------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/
>
> > From: "Z" <mzurl@be*.ne*>
> > Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:38:37 -0400
> > To: <FLTechDiver@mikey.net>
> > Subject: RE: Trimix Computers
> >
> > "I can see absolutely no reason to use a trimix dive computer ..."
> >
> > Hey, wait a minute, where did you get your paper schedules from?  Wasn't
it
> > a computer?
> > Couldn't moving that computer to your wrist be used to advantage?
> >
> > Z
> >
> >
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