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Not only did he not plan his dives! As an inventor, I can only be amazed
that he did not plan his inventions. Like, he didn't think about trim ???
He was a tinkerer.
Sorry to say that, but this was an incredibly stupid thing to do but thanks
for the description, it pretty much happened as envisaged.
-----Original Message-----
From: Wahoodiver@ao*.co* [mailto:Wahoodiver@ao*.co*]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:56 AM
To: trey@ne*.co*; Wahoodiver@ao*.co*; plewitsch@ya*.co*; quest@gu*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Another NE wreck death
Remember, trying to stand on the top of a sharp point give you very little
purchase.
I see you have very little patience nor can you answer a couple of
questions directly without losing you temper.
No, the last time I seen Tony Maffatone was last August when he was
stepping off the deck of my boat alone to test his equipment. Tony knew the
risks of diving alone and only dove alone, we discussed the risks many
times,
Tony dove to invent and invented to dive. Tony designed and built all his
equipment, none store bought if it was he took it apart and redesigned it
and
made it better. Tony spent, three years building his system and 3 months
diving his new design in 15 to 30 feet of water and this dive the second one
to 100 feet was the next stage of testing. Tony talked about equipment
failure and he tried to design every backup into his system, He had just
removed the scuba second feeling the rest of his design had all backup
needed.
From examination of the incident and equipment, there was design
fault with tank balance, if the lowest tank of the seven tanks was drained
empty and others more than half full it flipped him on his back up side
down.
The system weighs out of water 265 lbs in water 150 lbs, Tony struggled to
right himself he cut his suit legs to get the gas out and right himself but
being upside down the XO FFM mask flooded he cut both his shoulder harness
and made a free assent, rising feet first upside down and didn't make it.
Like Berman and Exley Tony was pioneer and didn't die sitting at his
computer and talking diving.
He died following his dream, maybe not the way he say he would choose,
but he did choose his time and place. We grieve Tony, like many will grieve
Steve Bermans and Dave.
You only think you are in control, I hope you never lose it.
Captain Steve Bielenda
In a message dated 5/22/2001 6:51:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
trey@ne*.co* writes:
Subj:RE: Another NE wreck death
Date: 5/22/2001 6:51:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
To: Wahoodiver@ao*.co*, plewitsch@ya*.co*, quest@gu*.co*
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Belinda, bullshit. Do not waste our time with your slop. You just never
learn, do you? Seen Tony Maffatone lately? Keep up the piss poor example
and the hard headed baloney.
From: Wahoodiver@ao*.co* [mailto:Wahoodiver@ao*.co*]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 8:43 PM
To: trey@ne*.co*; plewitsch@ya*.co*; quest@gu*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Another NE wreck death
Why do you have to have a buddy?
This guy had a massive heart attack and died almost instantly, his
video camera showed 22 minutes of video and a shudder and the camera
dropped
along with his mounted light, he started to inflate his buoyance system
and
died his light snaged into the wreck and held his body there.
Where was Steve Berman dive buddy?
Are the rules different for different area around the world, such as cave,
NE
wreck southern waters west coast or where ever?
This is not an argument just some information and questions.
Risk management is done by each diver themselves and the risk they are
willing to take when diving alone are there own or with a dive partner,
solo
divers do not put others at risk.
You may not like it but that the facts. NE wreck diving has had its
share of diving deaths as many other areas of the world but non comes any
were near the high count of cave diving deaths around the world, with and
without there buddies.
Captain Steve Bielenda
In a message dated 5/15/01 7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
trey@ne*.co*
writes:
Subj: RE: Another NE wreck death
Date: 5/15/01 7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
To: plewitsch@ya*.co* (Paul Lewitsch), quest@gu*.co*
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Paul, NE diving is a disgrace - partially due to the bullshit, and more
due
to the fact that the rest of you go along with it.
Let me ask a question, and you NE divers can get out your dictionary to
look
up this word: "Where was this guy's B U D D Y ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lewitsch [mailto:plewitsch@ya*.co*]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:43 PM
To: quest@gu*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Another NE wreck death
Anyone know the actual situation of what happened?
George,you can disregard this email and hit delete. We
know your views on NE diving and believe it or not we
are working on a stroke free zone. It may take awhile
but you have to start somewhere.
It "may" be safe to assume he was "solo" since there
is no mention of a buddy report.
--------------------------------------
Routine Outing Fatal For Diver
Mourning an unexplained death
by J. Jioni Palmer
Staff Writer
David Scholl developed a passion for Long Island's
waterways as a child growing up in Lawrence, near
Jamaica Bay. As a youth, he'd spend countless hours
fishing and boating, but what he loved most of all was
diving deep below the ocean waves.
That love carried through to adulthood as Scholl, 42,
did a four-year stint in the Navy and worked part time
at a diving-gear shop in Mineola. He seized every
opportunity to go out onto the water, even
volunteering on weekends as an instructor on board the
dive boat the Seahawk, helping less experienced
aquanauts hone their skills, relatives said.
But Saturday, while on a routine jaunt from Freeport
to a ship wreckage about 18 miles south of Fire Island
an unexplained tragedy befell Scholl that took his
life.
"He was a diving fanatic," says his older brother Fred
of Wading River, who dives for the New York City Fire
Department. "His house was like a shrine; it was full
of artifacts he picked up diving." Saturday's accident
bewildered Scholl's friends and relatives, who said he
was an experienced diver. "If anybody got hurt, Dave
would be the first person to go help," said
stepdaughter Sarah Silverman, 27. "It's kind of
shocking that he'd be the one needing to get rescued."
Scholl had explored the wreckage of the G&D,a coastal
steamer that sank in 1918,more than a dozen times. He
had anchored the dive-boat Seahawk to the wreckage
about 110 feet below the surface on the sandy ocean
bottom and given the "all-clear sign" indicating that
it was safe for others to dive, his sister said.
Not long after that, a fellow crewmember discovered
his lifeless body near the wreckage.
He was brought to the surface, where the boat's crew
administered CPR and radioed the Coast Guard, which
took him by helicopter to Nassau University Medical
Center in East Meadow, where he was pronounced dead,
said Suffolk County Homicide Det. Sgt. Arthur Ahl.
"There is no indication at this point of a crime," he
said, adding police were waiting for results of an
autopsy by the Nassau County medical examiner.
Divers from Suffolk's Marine Bureau are expected to
examine the wreckage today in hopes of learning what
went wrong, he said.
Scholl's relatives said they hope police recover the
underwater video camera he was carrying to shed light
on the incident.
Grieving friends and relatives yesterday remembered
Scholl, who worked for the Village of Valley Stream
driving a recycling truck, as an affable man with a
generous heart who could light up a room with
entertaining humor.
"He was the class clown and the family comedian," said
his sister Susan McBride, 48, of Rockaway Beach. "He
was the happy-go-lucky guy that everybody loved."
Scholl is survived by his companion of 10 years, Sue
Silverman of Long Beach; his mother, Carole, and
another sister, Debra; two children and four
stepchildren.
A wake will be today from 7-9 p.m. and tomorrow from
2-4 p.m. and 7-9 p.m.
at the Meserole Funeral Home in Inwood. Funeral
services will be Wednesday at 11 a.m. at the Lutheran
Church of the Incarnation in Cedarhurst, with
cremation following.
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT
face=Tahoma><FONT
size=2><SPAN class=186345313-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT
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class=186345313-23052001> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT
color=#0000ff
face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=186345313-23052001>Not only did he not
plan
his dives! As an inventor, I can only be amazed
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT
color=#0000ff
face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=186345313-23052001>that he did not plan
his
inventions. Like, he didn't think about trim
???</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT
color=#0000ff
face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=186345313-23052001>He was a
tinkerer.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT
face=Tahoma><FONT
size=2><SPAN
class=186345313-23052001></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT
color=#0000ff
face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=186345313-23052001>Sorry to say that, but
this
was an incredibly stupid thing to do but thanks</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT
color=#0000ff
face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=186345313-23052001>for the description, it
pretty much happened as envisaged.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT
face=Tahoma><FONT
size=2><SPAN
class=186345313-23052001></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT
face=Tahoma><FONT
size=2><SPAN class=186345313-23052001> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Wahoodiver@ao*.co*
[mailto:Wahoodiver@ao*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 22, 2001
9:56
AM<BR><B>To:</B> trey@ne*.co*; Wahoodiver@ao*.co*;
plewitsch@ya*.co*;
quest@gu*.co*<BR><B>Cc:</B>
techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
Another NE wreck death<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Arial lang=0 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Remember, trying to stand on the top of a sharp point
give you very little <BR>purchase.
<BR><BR> I see you have very
little
patience nor can you answer a couple of <BR>questions directly without
losing you temper. <BR> No, the last
time
I seen Tony Maffatone was last August when he was <BR>stepping off the
deck
of my boat alone to test his equipment. Tony knew the <BR>risks of
diving alone and only dove alone, we discussed the risks many times,
<BR>Tony dove to invent and invented to dive. Tony designed and
built
all his <BR>equipment, none store bought if it was he took it apart and
redesigned it and <BR>made it better. Tony spent, three years
building
his system and 3 months <BR>diving his new design in 15 to 30 feet of
water
and this dive the second one <BR>to 100 feet was the next stage of
testing.
Tony talked about equipment <BR>failure and he tried to design every
backup
into his system, He had just <BR>removed the scuba second feeling
the
rest of his design had all backup <BR>needed.
<BR> From examination of the incident
and
equipment, there was design <BR>fault with tank balance, if the
lowest
tank of the seven tanks was drained <BR>empty and others more than half
full
it flipped him on his back up side down. <BR>The system weighs out of
water
265 lbs in water 150 lbs, Tony struggled to <BR>right himself he cut his
suit legs to get the gas out and right himself but <BR>being upside down
the
XO FFM mask flooded he cut both his shoulder harness <BR>and made a free
assent, rising feet first upside down and didn't make it. <BR>Like
Berman and Exley Tony was pioneer and didn't die sitting at his
<BR>computer and talking diving.
<BR> He
died following his dream, maybe not the way he say he would choose,
<BR>but
he did choose his time and place. We grieve Tony, like many will grieve
<BR>Steve Bermans and Dave.
<BR> You only
think you are in control, I hope you never lose it. <BR><BR>Captain
Steve
Bielenda <BR>In a message dated 5/22/2001 6:51:13 AM Eastern Daylight
Time,
<BR>trey@ne*.co* writes: <BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px;
PADDING-LEFT: 5px"
TYPE="CITE">Subj:<B>RE: Another NE wreck death</B> <BR>Date:
5/22/2001
6:51:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time <BR><I>From:
trey@ne*.co* (Trey) <BR>To:
Wahoodiver@ao*.co*, plewitsch@ya*.co*, quest@gu*.co*
<BR>CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
<BR></I><BR><BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT
color=#0000ff face=Arial lang=0
size=4 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Belinda, bullshit. Do not waste our time with
your slop. You just never <BR>learn, do you? Seen Tony Maffatone
lately?
Keep up the piss poor example <BR>and the hard headed baloney.
</FONT><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial lang=0 size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT color=#000000
face=Tahoma lang=0
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR><B>From:</B> Wahoodiver@ao*.co*
[mailto:Wahoodiver@ao*.co*] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 21,
2001 8:43 PM
<BR><B>To:</B> trey@ne*.co*; plewitsch@ya*.co*; quest@gu*.co*
<BR><B>Cc:</B> techdiver@aquanaut.com
<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Another NE
wreck death <BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT color=#000000
face=arial lang=0
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT:
0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"
TYPE="CITE">Why do you have to have a buddy?
<BR> This guy had a massive heart
attack
and died almost instantly, his <BR>video camera showed 22 minutes of
video and a shudder and the camera <BR>dropped <BR>along with his
mounted light, he started to inflate his buoyance system <BR>and
<BR>died his light snaged into the wreck and held his body there.
<BR>Where was Steve Berman dive buddy? <BR>Are the rules
different for
different area around the world, such as cave, <BR>NE <BR>wreck
southern
waters west coast or where ever? <BR>This is not an argument just
some
information and questions. <BR>Risk management is done by each diver
themselves and the risk they are <BR>willing to take when diving
alone
are there own or with a dive partner, <BR>solo <BR>divers do not
put
others at risk. <BR> You may not like
it
but that the facts. NE wreck diving has had its <BR>share of diving
deaths as many other areas of the world but non comes any <BR>were
near
the high count of cave diving deaths around the world, with and
<BR>without there buddies. <BR><BR>Captain Steve Bielenda
<BR><BR>In a
message dated 5/15/01 7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<BR>trey@ne*.co* <BR>writes: <BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT:
0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"
TYPE="CITE">Subj: <B>RE: Another NE wreck death</B> <BR>Date:
5/15/01
7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time <BR><I>From:
trey@ne*.co* (Trey) <BR>To:
plewitsch@ya*.co* (Paul Lewitsch), quest@gu*.co*
<BR>CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
<BR></I><BR><BR><BR><BR>Paul, NE diving is a
disgrace - partially due
to the bullshit, and more <BR>due <BR>to the fact that the rest
of you
go along with it. <BR><BR>Let me ask a question, and you NE
divers can
get out your dictionary to <BR>look <BR>up this word: "Where
was this
guy's B U D D Y ? <BR><BR>-----Original Message-----
<BR>From: Paul
Lewitsch [mailto:plewitsch@ya*.co*] <BR>Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001
1:43 PM <BR>To: quest@gu*.co* <BR>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
<BR>Subject: Another NE wreck death <BR><BR><BR>Anyone
know the actual
situation of what happened? <BR>George,you can disregard this
email
and hit delete. We <BR>know your views on NE diving and believe it
or
not we <BR>are working on a stroke free zone. It may take awhile
<BR>but you have to start somewhere. <BR><BR>It "may" be
safe to
assume he was "solo" since there <BR>is no mention of a buddy
report.
<BR>-------------------------------------- <BR>Routine Outing
Fatal
For Diver <BR>Mourning an unexplained death <BR>by J. Jioni
Palmer
<BR>Staff Writer <BR><BR>David Scholl developed a passion
for Long
Island's <BR>waterways as a child growing up in Lawrence, near
<BR>Jamaica Bay. As a youth, he'd spend countless hours
<BR>fishing
and boating, but what he loved most of all was <BR>diving deep
below
the ocean waves. <BR><BR>That love carried through to adulthood
as
Scholl, 42, <BR>did a four-year stint in the Navy and worked part
time
<BR>at a diving-gear shop in Mineola. He seized every
<BR>opportunity
to go out onto the water, even <BR>volunteering on weekends as an
instructor on board the <BR>dive boat the Seahawk, helping less
experienced <BR>aquanauts hone their skills, relatives said.
<BR><BR>But Saturday, while on a routine jaunt from Freeport
<BR>to a
ship wreckage about 18 miles south of Fire Island <BR>an
unexplained
tragedy befell Scholl that took his <BR>life. <BR><BR>"He
was a diving
fanatic," says his older brother Fred <BR>of Wading River, who
dives
for the New York City Fire <BR>Department. "His house was like a
shrine; it was full <BR>of artifacts he picked up diving."
Saturday's
accident <BR>bewildered Scholl's friends and relatives, who said
he
<BR>was an experienced diver. "If anybody got hurt, Dave
<BR>would be
the first person to go help," said <BR>stepdaughter Sarah
Silverman,
27. "It's kind of <BR>shocking that he'd be the one needing to get
rescued." <BR>Scholl had explored the wreckage of the G&D,a
coastal <BR>steamer that sank in 1918,more than a dozen times. He
<BR>had anchored the dive-boat Seahawk to the wreckage
<BR>about 110
feet below the surface on the sandy ocean <BR>bottom and given the
"all-clear sign" indicating that <BR>it was safe for others to
dive,
his sister said. <BR><BR>Not long after that, a fellow
crewmember
discovered <BR>his lifeless body near the wreckage.
<BR><BR>He was
brought to the surface, where the boat's crew <BR>administered CPR
and
radioed the Coast Guard, which <BR>took him by helicopter to
Nassau
University Medical <BR>Center in East Meadow, where he was
pronounced
dead, <BR>said Suffolk County Homicide Det. Sgt. Arthur Ahl.
<BR><BR>"There is no indication at this point of a crime," he
<BR>said, adding police were waiting for results of an
<BR>autopsy by
the Nassau County medical examiner. <BR><BR>Divers from
Suffolk's
Marine Bureau are expected to <BR>examine the wreckage today in
hopes
of learning what <BR>went wrong, he said. <BR><BR>Scholl's
relatives
said they hope police recover the <BR>underwater video camera he
was
carrying to shed light <BR>on the incident. <BR><BR>Grieving
friends
and relatives yesterday remembered <BR>Scholl, who worked for the
Village of Valley Stream <BR>driving a recycling truck, as an
affable
man with a <BR>generous heart who could light up a room with
<BR>entertaining humor. <BR><BR>"He was the class clown and
the family
comedian," said <BR>his sister Susan McBride, 48, of Rockaway
Beach.
"He <BR>was the happy-go-lucky guy that everybody loved."
<BR>Scholl
is survived by his companion of 10 years, Sue <BR>Silverman of
Long
Beach; his mother, Carole, and <BR>another sister, Debra; two
children
and four <BR>stepchildren. <BR><BR>A wake will be today from
7-9 p.m.
and tomorrow from <BR>2-4 p.m. and 7-9 p.m. <BR><BR>at the
Meserole
Funeral Home in Inwood. Funeral <BR>services will be Wednesday at
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