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Why do you have to have a buddy?
This guy had a massive heart attack and died almost instantly, his
video camera showed 22 minutes of video and a shudder and the camera dropped
along with his mounted light, he started to inflate his buoyance system and
died his light snaged into the wreck and held his body there.
Where was Steve Berman dive buddy?
Are the rules different for different area around the world, such as cave, NE
wreck southern waters west coast or where ever?
This is not an argument just some information and questions.
Risk management is done by each diver themselves and the risk they are
willing to take when diving alone are there own or with a dive partner, solo
divers do not put others at risk.
You may not like it but that the facts. NE wreck diving has had its
share of diving deaths as many other areas of the world but non comes any
were near the high count of cave diving deaths around the world, with and
without there buddies.
Captain Steve Bielenda
In a message dated 5/15/01 7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, trey@ne*.co*
writes:
> Subj: RE: Another NE wreck death
> Date: 5/15/01 7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
> To: plewitsch@ya*.co* (Paul Lewitsch), quest@gu*.co*
> CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
>
>
>
>
> Paul, NE diving is a disgrace - partially due to the bullshit, and more due
> to the fact that the rest of you go along with it.
>
> Let me ask a question, and you NE divers can get out your dictionary to look
> up this word: "Where was this guy's B U D D Y ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Lewitsch [mailto:plewitsch@ya*.co*]
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:43 PM
> To: quest@gu*.co*
> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: Another NE wreck death
>
>
> Anyone know the actual situation of what happened?
> George,you can disregard this email and hit delete. We
> know your views on NE diving and believe it or not we
> are working on a stroke free zone. It may take awhile
> but you have to start somewhere.
>
> It "may" be safe to assume he was "solo" since there
> is no mention of a buddy report.
> --------------------------------------
> Routine Outing Fatal For Diver
> Mourning an unexplained death
> by J. Jioni Palmer
> Staff Writer
>
> David Scholl developed a passion for Long Island's
> waterways as a child growing up in Lawrence, near
> Jamaica Bay. As a youth, he'd spend countless hours
> fishing and boating, but what he loved most of all was
> diving deep below the ocean waves.
>
> That love carried through to adulthood as Scholl, 42,
> did a four-year stint in the Navy and worked part time
> at a diving-gear shop in Mineola. He seized every
> opportunity to go out onto the water, even
> volunteering on weekends as an instructor on board the
> dive boat the Seahawk, helping less experienced
> aquanauts hone their skills, relatives said.
>
> But Saturday, while on a routine jaunt from Freeport
> to a ship wreckage about 18 miles south of Fire Island
> an unexplained tragedy befell Scholl that took his
> life.
>
> "He was a diving fanatic," says his older brother Fred
> of Wading River, who dives for the New York City Fire
> Department. "His house was like a shrine; it was full
> of artifacts he picked up diving." Saturday's accident
> bewildered Scholl's friends and relatives, who said he
> was an experienced diver. "If anybody got hurt, Dave
> would be the first person to go help," said
> stepdaughter Sarah Silverman, 27. "It's kind of
> shocking that he'd be the one needing to get rescued."
> Scholl had explored the wreckage of the G&D,a coastal
> steamer that sank in 1918,more than a dozen times. He
> had anchored the dive-boat Seahawk to the wreckage
> about 110 feet below the surface on the sandy ocean
> bottom and given the "all-clear sign" indicating that
> it was safe for others to dive, his sister said.
>
> Not long after that, a fellow crewmember discovered
> his lifeless body near the wreckage.
>
> He was brought to the surface, where the boat's crew
> administered CPR and radioed the Coast Guard, which
> took him by helicopter to Nassau University Medical
> Center in East Meadow, where he was pronounced dead,
> said Suffolk County Homicide Det. Sgt. Arthur Ahl.
>
> "There is no indication at this point of a crime," he
> said, adding police were waiting for results of an
> autopsy by the Nassau County medical examiner.
>
> Divers from Suffolk's Marine Bureau are expected to
> examine the wreckage today in hopes of learning what
> went wrong, he said.
>
> Scholl's relatives said they hope police recover the
> underwater video camera he was carrying to shed light
> on the incident.
>
> Grieving friends and relatives yesterday remembered
> Scholl, who worked for the Village of Valley Stream
> driving a recycling truck, as an affable man with a
> generous heart who could light up a room with
> entertaining humor.
>
> "He was the class clown and the family comedian," said
> his sister Susan McBride, 48, of Rockaway Beach. "He
> was the happy-go-lucky guy that everybody loved."
> Scholl is survived by his companion of 10 years, Sue
> Silverman of Long Beach; his mother, Carole, and
> another sister, Debra; two children and four
> stepchildren.
>
> A wake will be today from 7-9 p.m. and tomorrow from
> 2-4 p.m. and 7-9 p.m.
>
> at the Meserole Funeral Home in Inwood. Funeral
> services will be Wednesday at 11 a.m. at the Lutheran
> Church of the Incarnation in Cedarhurst, with
> cremation following.
>
>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Why do you have to have
a buddy?
<BR> This guy had a massive heart attack
and died almost instantly, his
<BR>video camera showed 22 minutes of video and a shudder and the camera
dropped
<BR>along with his mounted light, he started to inflate his buoyance system
and
<BR>died his light snaged into the wreck and held his body there.
<BR>Where was Steve Berman dive buddy?
<BR>Are the rules different for different area around the world, such as
cave, NE
<BR>wreck southern waters west coast or where ever?
<BR>This is not an argument just some information and questions.
<BR>Risk management is done by each diver themselves and the risk they are
<BR>willing to take when diving alone are there own or with a dive partner,
solo
<BR>divers do not put others at risk.
<BR> You may not like it but that the
facts. NE wreck diving has had its
<BR>share of diving deaths as many other areas of the world but non comes
any
<BR>were near the high count of cave diving deaths around the world, with
and
<BR>without there buddies.
<BR>
<BR>Captain Steve Bielenda
<BR>
<BR>In a message dated 5/15/01 7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
trey@ne*.co*
<BR>writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid;
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Subj: <B>RE: Another
NE wreck death</B>
<BR>Date: 5/15/01 7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time
<BR><I>From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
<BR>To: plewitsch@ya*.co* (Paul Lewitsch), quest@gu*.co*
<BR>CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
<BR></I>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>Paul, NE diving is a disgrace - partially due to the bullshit, and more
due
<BR>to the fact that the rest of you go along with it.
<BR>
<BR>Let me ask a question, and you NE divers can get out your dictionary to
look
<BR>up this word: "Where was this guy's B U D D Y ?
<BR>
<BR>-----Original Message-----
<BR>From: Paul Lewitsch [mailto:plewitsch@ya*.co*]
<BR>Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:43 PM
<BR>To: quest@gu*.co*
<BR>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
<BR>Subject: Another NE wreck death
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>Anyone know the actual situation of what happened?
<BR>George,you can disregard this email and hit delete. We
<BR>know your views on NE diving and believe it or not we
<BR>are working on a stroke free zone. It may take awhile
<BR>but you have to start somewhere.
<BR>
<BR>It "may" be safe to assume he was "solo" since there
<BR>is no mention of a buddy report.
<BR>--------------------------------------
<BR>Routine Outing Fatal For Diver
<BR>Mourning an unexplained death
<BR>by J. Jioni Palmer
<BR>Staff Writer
<BR>
<BR>David Scholl developed a passion for Long Island's
<BR>waterways as a child growing up in Lawrence, near
<BR>Jamaica Bay. As a youth, he'd spend countless hours
<BR>fishing and boating, but what he loved most of all was
<BR>diving deep below the ocean waves.
<BR>
<BR>That love carried through to adulthood as Scholl, 42,
<BR>did a four-year stint in the Navy and worked part time
<BR>at a diving-gear shop in Mineola. He seized every
<BR>opportunity to go out onto the water, even
<BR>volunteering on weekends as an instructor on board the
<BR>dive boat the Seahawk, helping less experienced
<BR>aquanauts hone their skills, relatives said.
<BR>
<BR>But Saturday, while on a routine jaunt from Freeport
<BR>to a ship wreckage about 18 miles south of Fire Island
<BR>an unexplained tragedy befell Scholl that took his
<BR>life.
<BR>
<BR>"He was a diving fanatic," says his older brother Fred
<BR>of Wading River, who dives for the New York City Fire
<BR>Department. "His house was like a shrine; it was full
<BR>of artifacts he picked up diving." Saturday's accident
<BR>bewildered Scholl's friends and relatives, who said he
<BR>was an experienced diver. "If anybody got hurt, Dave
<BR>would be the first person to go help," said
<BR>stepdaughter Sarah Silverman, 27. "It's kind of
<BR>shocking that he'd be the one needing to get rescued."
<BR>Scholl had explored the wreckage of the G&D,a coastal
<BR>steamer that sank in 1918,more than a dozen times. He
<BR>had anchored the dive-boat Seahawk to the wreckage
<BR>about 110 feet below the surface on the sandy ocean
<BR>bottom and given the "all-clear sign" indicating that
<BR>it was safe for others to dive, his sister said.
<BR>
<BR>Not long after that, a fellow crewmember discovered
<BR>his lifeless body near the wreckage.
<BR>
<BR>He was brought to the surface, where the boat's crew
<BR>administered CPR and radioed the Coast Guard, which
<BR>took him by helicopter to Nassau University Medical
<BR>Center in East Meadow, where he was pronounced dead,
<BR>said Suffolk County Homicide Det. Sgt. Arthur Ahl.
<BR>
<BR>"There is no indication at this point of a crime," he
<BR>said, adding police were waiting for results of an
<BR>autopsy by the Nassau County medical examiner.
<BR>
<BR>Divers from Suffolk's Marine Bureau are expected to
<BR>examine the wreckage today in hopes of learning what
<BR>went wrong, he said.
<BR>
<BR>Scholl's relatives said they hope police recover the
<BR>underwater video camera he was carrying to shed light
<BR>on the incident.
<BR>
<BR>Grieving friends and relatives yesterday remembered
<BR>Scholl, who worked for the Village of Valley Stream
<BR>driving a recycling truck, as an affable man with a
<BR>generous heart who could light up a room with
<BR>entertaining humor.
<BR>
<BR>"He was the class clown and the family comedian," said
<BR>his sister Susan McBride, 48, of Rockaway Beach. "He
<BR>was the happy-go-lucky guy that everybody loved."
<BR>Scholl is survived by his companion of 10 years, Sue
<BR>Silverman of Long Beach; his mother, Carole, and
<BR>another sister, Debra; two children and four
<BR>stepchildren.
<BR>
<BR>A wake will be today from 7-9 p.m. and tomorrow from
<BR>2-4 p.m. and 7-9 p.m.
<BR>
<BR>at the Meserole Funeral Home in Inwood. Funeral
<BR>services will be Wednesday at 11 a.m. at the Lutheran
<BR>Church of the Incarnation in Cedarhurst, with
<BR>cremation following.
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>__________________________________________________
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