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Trey, you are correct, no one will copy you to 19,000 ft at the site you control or really anywhere, because any site with that kind of distance is too new or out of the way. The reason you did not miss 19 Grand is very plain, to find it you only need to enter the cave it will lead to the other end, getting there is the deal. The early days of deep diving the deaths were very high in numbers, deep air, gear, and a host of other problems were the cause. They still happen to those unwilling to change and embrace a better way. It may happen to you, me, or anyone we dive with if we fail to learn and get experience, it could even happen then. Steve, I'm sorry to say, I never met. He is not my friend and now never can be. I respect Steve on the bases of what he had done for the guys I dive with. The twisting of facts that you do is the problem, all the post in the world will not remove the fact that Steve was part of and good enough to be on the GUE team to the "Britannic". To clear up any problem in the future please post all team members names for the WKPP and GUE, then remove or add names as they come and go, do not wait until they die to disown them. That will also help clear up any doubts to guys who help out and want to know if they are really part of your teams or just a gofer that you consider a liability. The fact that someone got bent that you know or is on your team or a GUE instructor is of little importance, the fact that you try to cover it up and lie about it is. You're worse than a fag in a closet, everyone around you knows your secret and yet you try to hide it from others. (not saying you are a homo, just an example) Lets put an end to this, I will not answer your next post no matter what you say to me or about me as long as you do not mention Steve or anything about his death in your next post. But your not man enough to do that are you? JT At 06:16 AM 5/21/01 -0400, Trey wrote: >JT, I have been diving a little longer than you have, and the dives I do >which were or are record distances take a little more than falling off a >boat. Maybe you can tell all of us how many people have been killed by that >kind of instant gratification ( start in the hundreds) , and then I will >tell you how many have been killed diving to 8 or 10 or 15 or 19,000 feet >into a cave: NONE. Nobody is going to run out and go 19,000 feet to copy me >and get killed, because to get there they have to go 1000, 5000 etc and >learn, not just fall off the boat. > >And, JT, I did not miss the cave when I went 19 Grand. > >You keep claiming Berm was a friend of yours and trained your guys. Why >don't you treat him that way and stop using him as a weapon? He was not my >problem, and is not now. I do not allow solo diving in the WKPP and we all >do things the same way in WKPP and GUE. > >JT, I have never criticized anyone for getting bent in any organization. I >believe in immediate treatment for any bends cases and I insist on it in my >organization. You criticize me for knowing somebody who thinks they got bent >on a recreational ocean dive and went to the chamber as a personal attack on >me . Not only is your example in diving a disgrace and nothing better than >the well known deep air divers, your attitude about the bends is a disgrace >and leads to people hiding these things, and now this attitude about Stevie. > >You are a real contributor, JT. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] >Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 6:58 PM >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com >Subject: RE: Civility WAS:RE BITE THE BIG APPLE > > >Trey, the whole list knows the truth, you can fool some of the people all >of the time, you can fool all the people some of the time, but you CANNOT >fool ALL the people ALL the time. > >You just don't get it do you, you just keep trying to sell it, but only a >few know the truth to what your selling and I'm one of them. I'm not buying >it or promoting it for you. I will not fall into the trap you sit on the >newbies, you have enough wannabee techies on this list for that. > >You often try to use the depths of my dives against me which is just a >measurement others calculate into skill and ability, then you turn right >around and brag about your 18,000 ft which is also just a measurement, >which others calculate it into skill and ability. You are the true >"Hypocrite"! > >Many on this list watch you and me go at it, I just want the true facts to >be posted and you just like to twist them, Steve is dead and that is a >fact, when you can't twist it without stepping on your dick, you call for >JJ. > >You make Steve out to be some kind gofer boy for JJ and then he claims to >be a friend of Steve's with a post that you forward. > >Sure Steve made a mistake diving solo, but I can understand why, you guys >are bailing on him now, why would he want a buddy like that, he knows what >to expect diving solo. > >You and JJ need to go back to the drawing board, reexamine the plan, your >team needs to know what to expect you will say about them in the event of >their death. > >As for Dr. Black, those on this list should pay close attention to when he >post and you do, there is too much connection there, maybe I'll email Mr >Clark and see what he thinks. > >JT > > At 06:28 AM 5/17/01 -0400, Trey wrote: > > >JT, the whole world is sick of trying to read techdiver only to find this > >kind of petty nonsense - your specialty, because, to quote my dive partner, > >you are a paranoid idiot with nothing to say and a huge resentment who just > >wants to fuck with the big boys. > > > >I will point out here that with all the effort that you and the Tom Mounts, > >Bill Reanakersw and the rest who hate me so much put into trying to find > >fault with what I have put together, the best you can come up with for a > >lifetime of my diving is that I dove on a boat where the mate apparently >was > >using air ( gee, I forgot my mate analyzer, but I am taking your word for >it > >since this seems to be a huge victory for you in your battle with me ), >that > >somebody I know got bent, like I am supposed to give a shit, and now the > >drown in a few feet of water? Come on, big time, you have seen me up close > >in person. I am a Masters Swimmer. I can swim farther than you can walk, > >tough guy. And to top it off, you run an attack on me like I am Steve > >Berman's keeper and it turns out he is Aurich's friend, and yet you still > >use him as a weapon against me? Dumb fuck, can you spell "hypocrite"? > > > >Let me clarify something here. I have a big problem with ignoramuses like > >you dispensing dive advice, pretending you know something, and then >bragging > >about depth and other mindless bullshit on here when the fact is I have >seen > >you in action and know for a fact that you are a complete neophyte with no > >clue about anything to do with this sport, and I am quite confident that if > >you just kept your mouth shut and tried to learn something, that all would > >be safer for it. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] > >Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:18 PM > >To: Techdiver@Aquanaut. Com > >Subject: Re: Civility WAS:RE BITE THE BIG APPLE > > > > > >First lets make this clear, for some own claims to not be in the business, > >what are you doing teaching. > > > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the >water" >Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >Email captjt@mi*.co* > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the water" Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ Email captjt@mi*.co* -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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