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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:25:47 -0400
To: "william Tay" <william_tay75@ho*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
From: William J Ripley <bripley@ex*.ne*>
Subject: Re: halcyon vs DiveRite
Bill,

In my opinion, the Halcyon "Pathfinder" reels by Extreme Exposure (EE) are
really nice upgrades over the more traditional reels, althought they're not
cheap.  First, their handles are ergonomically different and I find nice to
use.  Second, they are light years ahead of other reels in their ability to
avoid most jambs.  This is due to their open-face design, which 1) provides
little for the line to snag or wrap on while allowing you room to work your
hand around the spool, and 2)the close tolerances help prevent the line
from working its way in between the spool and the reel's handle, and
thereby having the line get hopelessly wrapped around the reel's axle.
Don't know about you, but it takes me a long time to straighten that kind
of mess out in cold water, with gloves on, in low vis with a traditional
reel. I'll trade eliminating that stress for paying the higher price anytime.

However, while the open-face design allows easy access to the line, it's a
double-edge sword in that it can also allow line to "fall off" the spool if
you're not careful.  This isn't a problem when you're using the reel, as
you keep the line taught.  The problem occurs when the set screw, or thumb
screw that is used to tighten down on the spool to keep the spool in a
"locked" position, works loose while you've got it clipped on.  The design
only requires that the spool be a little loose and tilted, and the line can
"fall" off the spool.  This is obviously not a good thing during a wreck
penetration, and is a downer if it gets into your scooter's prop (trust me
on the prop).

True, the same thing can happen with a traditional reel.  But a loosened
spool on a traditional reel isn't necessarily an accident waiting to
happen, especially if you've set a little pressure on the spool to keep it
from freewheeling (i.e., you've tightened down on the axle bolt a little).
However, the open-face design can be, in that it can effortlessly dump line
without the spool ever moving (with the open-face design the spool doesn't
have to revolve, like the spool on a traditional reel, to dump line).  With
no "cage" around the spool like the traditional reels have, there's nothing
to keep the line contained.  A little line to work with during a dive is
one thing, a little more is something else. 

I bought my spool at EE, and changed out the stock set screw at EE for one
of their replacement "thumb" screws.  Both are SS.  I'm sure the standard
set screw works well in warmer waters where you don't need gloves, but I
thought it would be difficult to operate up north where the water requires
heavy gloves.  I since replaced the SS screw with a nylon one, and just
slightly oversized to keep the screw under load at all times so it won't
back out.  Other reel manufacturers came up with this combination and it
works pretty well. 

Having said that, I really like the reel.  I've spent a lot of time
discussing one potential problem this new reel has than in telling you of
all of its many advantages.  I haven't had the need, or desire, to go back
to my more traditional reels yet.  Maybe when I need more line capacity,
have a special purpose dive to make, etc. I will.  All have their places
and relative value.  Use what you need for the dive you're making.

As to the safety reels or spools, they are generally personal safety lines
used in wrecks or caves.  Excellent for their purpose.  I do see some cave
and wreck divers using them exclusively.  However, I figure the wreck
divers don't understand their function, probably saw them in a dive shop
and figured they were neat.  Personally, I wouldn't want to have to shoot a
bag using a safety reel from any depth.

That's my two-cents worth.  Hope it sheds a little light.

Regards

Bill

At 09:07 AM 5/14/01 -0000, william Tay wrote:
>hi list,has anyone out there have extensive experience is the usage of Dive 
>Rite and Halcyon equipment ,specifically
>a) the safety spools
>b) cave/carven diving reels
>b) single tank adaptor (STA)
>
>comments in terms of relability,size,cost etc ....
>
>also ,i realize that there is a new STA from halcyon as compared to the 
>older version which is recangular in shape.
>Anyone has an idea what is the angle of bending for the sides of the Halcon 
>STA ? (if i'm not wrong, typical values used is 45 degrees).
>
>would also appreacite if someone has a picture of the STA of DiveRite
>
>later
>stay wet
>will
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