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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F1_01C0DC82.BBF92360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Trey: I started this thread after I went to my local dive shop, and in talking = I mentioned that I was going to get a DUI 400 gram Thinsulate suit. I = told them I was disappointed in the dry suit undergarment they had sold = me when I started diving. On the other hand, it looked like it would be = impossible to get a decent fit out of the box with the DUI. They said = that they could contact their supplier, Andy's, about making me a custom = undergarment with 400 gram Thinsulate, just like the DUI. From past = experience, I knew that they probably had no idea about what they were = talking about -- on the other hand, neither did I. But, it wouldn't = cost me anything to find out what they had to offer. To me, if it was the same suit and it had a better fit, it didn't matter = what the label was. But, I was going to make sure that it was the same = suit, and the only way to do so was by finding out what made the DUI = what it was. I found out from 3M and DUI that there were different kinds of = Thinsulate, with Type B (for footwear) being the one for diving because = it was least compressible. As DUI pointed out, other divewear = manufacturers used less expensive lofted Thinsulate that is for = above-water use, just so that they could have the Thinsulate label. I = posted this information because I thought others might find it useful. = And, as long as I had gotten this far, I was curious to read the NEDU = test report. After I told the dive shop that duplicating the DUI suit would involve = using the Type B Thinsulate, they got back to me saying that there was = no way they could get such a suit made for a price close to the DUI one. = But, now they know a little more about their suppliers and dive gear, = and in the long run this may help get better and safer equipment = available up here -- they have picked up on other things I have = requested. Thanks for relating your experience along with information about what = you use and how to use it -- this has been invaluable to me in a place = where no one can say DIR let alone knows what it is. Alex ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Trey=20 To: Alex Vasauskas ; DIR Quest ; Techdiver@Aquanaut. Com=20 Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:50 AM Subject: RE: Adam wanting a bite of the apple Was Re: Story behind DUI = 400 gram Thinsulate Undergarment I never "demanded" proof from Bill Gavin when he told me where and = how they tested things, I merely looked over at him in the water and = noted what he was using - proof enough. Having had access to all kinds = of information from all kinds of sources does not mean they handed me = over the papers to go with it, and I personally think it is good enough = that I share it in a form that does not give up those people and = organizations that let me in on it.=20 Kane just got into an argument with some moron about red cell rigidity = under nitrogen tension, and the guy want me to "prove" that it happens = while he in no way intends to "prove" to me that it does NOT happen, or = that his recommendation for air diving is in fact a "proven" safe thing = long term. Where does it end? This is like the lawyers who do traffic tickets = wanting to check the certification of the radar user or the calibration = of his radar gun. ------=_NextPart_000_00F1_01C0DC82.BBF92360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4613.1700" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Trey:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I started this thread after I went to my local dive = shop, and=20 in talking I mentioned that I was going to get a DUI 400 gram Thinsulate = suit. I told them I was disappointed in the dry suit = undergarment=20 they had sold me when I started diving. On the other hand, it = looked like=20 it would be impossible to get a decent fit out of the box with the = DUI. =20 They said that they could contact their supplier, Andy's, about making = me a=20 custom undergarment with 400 gram Thinsulate, just like the = DUI. From=20 past experience, I knew that they probably had no idea about what they = were=20 talking about -- on the other hand, neither did I. But, it = wouldn't cost=20 me anything to find out what they had to offer.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>To me, if it was the same suit and it had a better = fit, it=20 didn't matter what the label was. But, I was going to make sure = that it=20 was the same suit, and the only way to do so was by finding out what = made the=20 DUI what it was.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I found out from 3M and DUI that there were = different=20 kinds of Thinsulate, with Type B (for footwear) being the one for = diving=20 because it was least compressible. As DUI pointed out, other = divewear=20 manufacturers used less expensive lofted Thinsulate that is = for=20 above-water use, just so that they could have the Thinsulate = label. I=20 posted this information because I thought others might find it=20 useful. And, as long as I had gotten this far, I was curious = to read=20 the NEDU test report.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>After I told the dive shop that duplicating the = DUI suit=20 would involve using the Type B Thinsulate, they got back to me saying = that there=20 was no way they could get such a suit made for a price close to the = DUI=20 one. But, now they know a little more about their suppliers = and dive=20 gear, and in the long run this may help get better and safer=20 equipment available up here -- they have picked up on other things = I have=20 requested.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks for relating your experience along with=20 information about what you use and how to use it -- this has been=20 invaluable to me in a place where no one can say DIR let alone knows = what it=20 is.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Alex</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dtrey@ne*.co* href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dsurlyc@al*.ne*=20 href=3D"mailto:surlyc@al*.ne*">Alex Vasauskas</A> ; <A = title=3Dquest@gu*.co*=20 href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">DIR Quest</A> ; <A = title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20 href=3D"mailto:Techdiver@Aquanaut. Com">Techdiver@Aquanaut. Com</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 14, 2001 2:50 = AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Adam wanting a = bite of the=20 apple Was Re: Story behind DUI 400 gram Thinsulate Undergarment</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT = size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D840564410-14052001> I never "demanded" proof from Bill = Gavin when=20 he told me where and how they tested things, I merely looked over at = him in=20 the water and noted what he was using - proof enough. Having had = access to all=20 kinds of information from all kinds of sources does not mean they = handed me=20 over the papers to go with it, and I personally think it is good = enough that I=20 share it in a form that does not give up those people and = organizations that=20 let me in on it. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D840564410-14052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN = class=3D840564410-14052001>Kane=20 just got into an argument with some moron about red cell rigidity = under=20 nitrogen tension, and the guy want me to "prove" that it happens while = he in=20 no way intends to "prove" to me that it does NOT happen, or that his=20 recommendation for air diving is in fact a "proven" safe thing long=20 term.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D840564410-14052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D840564410-14052001>Where does it end? This is like the lawyers = who do=20 traffic tickets wanting to check the certification of the radar user = or the=20 calibration of his radar gun.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D040051319-11052001></DIV></SPAN></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BOD Y></HTML= > ------=_NextPart_000_00F1_01C0DC82.BBF92360-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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