This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C0DA10.4D46EE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I live in California,and I've dove Farnsworth a bunch of times. The = thing I don't understand is the propensity for instructors here in = California to insist on "Deep Air Training". If I wanted to dive deep = on air, I'd just do it. But why would I want to do that in a MIX = class?? I'm learning to dive a mixed gas and all the details that go = along with the and so idiot wants me to first "see what it feels like", = to what? Be dead? I'd rather wait on that, thanks. Why would you trust = your life to someone who is trying to get you to do someting dumb. "Hey, = Lets go play tag in the freeway and lunchtime", you'd tell them to go = push a rope. "Hey, Lets go to 380' on air", and people can't wait to = sign up. The real problem here is that if this crap continues, the government = will step in and regulate us, and the people doing the regulation won't = be divers, by definition. Thomas ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MHK=20 To: Thomas Tukker ; Trey ; quest@gu*.co*=20 Cc: aquanaut=20 Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Deep air fatality in SoCal I'm in a flame war with one of Trey's buddies ;-), on another list.. = He is claiming that even though the IANTD website is promoting a = advanced deep air training that IANTD no longer provides training on air = to 160' and that any instructor caught teaching air to 160' will loose = his rating.. Why don't we start sending the names over to IANTD so they can take = away all those instructor cards ;-) I could be a good way to get rid of some of the instrokters... Later ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas Tukker=20 To: MHK ; Trey ; quest@gu*.co*=20 Cc: aquanaut=20 Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: Re: Deep air fatality in SoCal Gee, those guys? who would have guessed? ;-) TT ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MHK=20 To: Thomas Tukker ; Trey ; quest@gu*.co*=20 Cc: aquanaut=20 Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 3:17 PM Subject: Re: Deep air fatality in SoCal It begins with an I and ends in D.... ;-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas Tukker=20 To: Trey ; MHK ; quest@gu*.co*=20 Cc: aquanaut=20 Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 6:09 AM Subject: Re: Deep air fatality in SoCal I think we can make an educated guess here on the agency = question. TT ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Trey=20 To: MHK ; quest@gu*.co*=20 Cc: aquanaut=20 Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 5:54 AM Subject: RE: Deep air fatality in SoCal Looks like he was not planning on coming back at all. How many = dead buddies has this other guy got, and who trained these guys and told = them that mix was so bad, and who told them that deep air was a heroic = thing? Can you find out the agency and instructor? -----Original Message----- From: MHK [mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 2:56 PM To: Trey; quest@gu*.co* Cc: aquanaut Subject: Re: Deep air fatality in SoCal Trey, It's worse than we thought.. The ad hoc dive plan was to = 320' on air, with no deco gas.. He had twin 120's and was following his = computer until it cleared deco.. The survivor reports seeing him at 290' heading down to the = anchor at 318'... Solo, on air at 320' with no deco gas... Need we say anymore???? Later ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Trey=20 To: MHK ; quest@gu*.co*=20 Cc: aquanaut=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:38 AM Subject: RE: Deep air fatality in SoCal Mike, this is what the dive industry teaches and preaches = " good on air", and "depth" - two very important things in the tiny = little mind of the strokes who teach diving, and the agencies they work = for. Now, even PADI.=20 Three of these agencies have "deep air record holders" as = their presidents: Mouth at IANTD ( whom we have all heard tell students = that his "personal comfort level on air is 200 feet", Gilliam at TDI who = broadcasts his love for deep air, and that drooling idiot Hal Watts at = PSA .=20 Tolerance of stroke thinking in any form is unacceptable = to me. I treat them all like the cockroaches that they are, and if = everyone else did the same, it would eventually become stigmatic to be a = moron. Mike, I would love to dive that bank again, but I can not = fly out to help you and Johnny Walker due to work. If you find that guy = at all, the sharks are going to have eaten him anyway.=20 -----Original Message----- From: MHK [mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 9:13 PM To: quest@gu*.co* Cc: aquanaut Subject: Deep air fatality in SoCal John Walker and I are doing a body recovery tomorrow = from yet another deep air fatality.. Facts are reported to me by the USCG.. Two guys on a private boat go to Farnsworth bank ( = backside of Catalina). The plan was for diver 1 to dive first while = diver 2 stays topside to watch the boat.. Diver 1 dives to 260' solo on air, when he get's to 10' = diver 2 gets into the water. Diver 2's profile was planned 280', on air, solo and NO = deco gas.. On top of that he brought his video camera.. After diver one gets on the boat he doesn't see any = bubbles and tries to call the USCG but the radio doesn't work. He later = flags down another boat and the USCG responds.. =20 BTW, these guys were trimix certified but chose to do = this dive on air.. I spoke earlier today with the parents of this 39 = year old guy and next time anyone tries to defend this kind of idiocy = I'll have them call the parents of this guy and let them hear the pain = in their voice... Later ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C0DA10.4D46EE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4613.1700" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I live in California,and I've dove = Farnsworth a=20 bunch of times. The thing I don't understand is the propensity for = instructors here in California to insist on "Deep Air Training". = If I=20 wanted to dive deep on air, I'd just do it. But why would I want = to do=20 that in a MIX class?? I'm learning to dive a mixed gas and all the = details=20 that go along with the and so idiot wants me to first "see what it feels = like",=20 to what? Be dead? I'd rather wait on that, thanks. Why would = you=20 trust your life to someone who is trying to get you to do someting dumb. = "Hey,=20 Lets go play tag in the freeway and lunchtime", you'd tell them to go = push a=20 rope. "Hey, Lets go to 380' on air", and people can't wait to sign = up.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The real problem here is that if this = crap=20 continues, the government will step in and regulate us, and the people = doing the=20 regulation won't be divers, by definition.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thomas</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dmhkane@pr*.ne* = href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*">MHK</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dthomas@ha*.ne*=20 href=3D"mailto:thomas@ha*.ne*">Thomas Tukker</A> ; <A = title=3Dtrey@ne*.co*=20 href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> ; <A title=3Dquest@gu*.co*=20 href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A = title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20 href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">aquanaut</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 10, 2001 = 12:24=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Deep air fatality = in=20 SoCal</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm in a flame war with one of Trey's = buddies ;-), on another list.. He is claiming that even = though the=20 IANTD website is promoting a advanced deep air training that IANTD no = longer=20 provides training on air to 160' and that any instructor caught = teaching air=20 to 160' will loose his rating..</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Why don't we start sending the names = over to=20 IANTD so they can take away all those instructor cards = ;-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I could be a good way to get rid of = some of the=20 instrokters...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Later</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dthomas@ha*.ne* = href=3D"mailto:thomas@ha*.ne*">Thomas=20 Tukker</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dmhkane@pr*.ne*=20 href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*">MHK</A> ; <A = title=3Dtrey@ne*.co*=20 href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> ; <A title=3Dquest@gu*.co*=20 href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A = title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20 href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">aquanaut</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 10, 2001 = 12:08=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Deep air = fatality in=20 SoCal</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gee, those guys? who would have=20 guessed?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>TT</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dmhkane@pr*.ne* = href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*">MHK</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dthomas@ha*.ne*=20 href=3D"mailto:thomas@ha*.ne*">Thomas Tukker</A> ; <A=20 title=3Dtrey@ne*.co* href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> ; = <A=20 title=3Dquest@gu*.co* = href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A = title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20 href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">aquanaut</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 10, = 2001 3:17=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Deep air = fatality in=20 SoCal</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It begins with an I and ends in=20 D....</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dthomas@ha*.ne* = href=3D"mailto:thomas@ha*.ne*">Thomas=20 Tukker</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dtrey@ne*.co*=20 href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> ; <A = title=3Dmhkane@pr*.ne*=20 href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*">MHK</A> ; <A = title=3Dquest@gu*.co*=20 href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A = title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20 href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">aquanaut</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 10, = 2001 6:09=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Deep air = fatality in=20 SoCal</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think we can make an educated = guess here=20 on the agency question.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>TT</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: = 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dtrey@ne*.co* = href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dmhkane@pr*.ne*=20 href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*">MHK</A> ; <A = title=3Dquest@gu*.co*=20 href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20 title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20 href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">aquanaut</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 10, = 2001 5:54=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Deep air = fatality in=20 SoCal</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D360285109-10052001>Looks like he was not planning on = coming back=20 at all. How many dead buddies has this other guy got, and who = trained=20 these guys and told them that mix was so bad, and who told = them that=20 deep air was a heroic thing? Can you find out the agency and=20 instructor?</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr = align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> MHK=20 [mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May = 09, 2001=20 2:56 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Trey; <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A><BR><B>Cc:</B>=20 aquanaut<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Deep air fatality in=20 SoCal<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Trey,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's worse than we = thought.. The=20 ad hoc dive plan was to 320' on air, with no deco = gas.. He had=20 twin 120's and was following his computer until it cleared=20 deco..</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The survivor reports seeing = him at 290'=20 heading down to the anchor at 318'...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Solo, on air at 320' with = no deco=20 gas...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Need we say = anymore????</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Later</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: = 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message = ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; = font-color: black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dtrey@ne*.co* = href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Dmhkane@pr*.ne* = href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*">MHK</A>=20 ; <A title=3Dquest@gu*.co*=20 href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20 title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20 href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">aquanaut</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May = 08, 2001=20 2:38 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Deep = air=20 fatality in SoCal</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D530462609-08052001>Mike, this is what the dive = industry=20 teaches and preaches " good on air", and "depth" - two = very=20 important things in the tiny little mind of the strokes = who teach=20 diving, and the agencies they work for. Now, even PADI.=20 </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D530462609-08052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D530462609-08052001>Three of these agencies have = "deep air=20 record holders" as their presidents: Mouth at IANTD ( whom = we have=20 all heard tell students that his "personal comfort level = on air is=20 200 feet", Gilliam at TDI who broadcasts his love for deep = air,=20 and that drooling idiot Hal Watts at PSA .=20 </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D530462609-08052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D530462609-08052001>Tolerance of stroke thinking in = any form=20 is unacceptable to me. I treat them all like the = cockroaches that=20 they are, and if everyone else did the same, it would = eventually=20 become stigmatic to be a moron.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D530462609-08052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D530462609-08052001>Mike, I would love to dive that = bank=20 again, but I can not fly out to help you and Johnny Walker = due to=20 work. If you find that guy at all, the sharks are going to = have=20 eaten him anyway. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D530462609-08052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr = align=3Dleft><FONT=20 face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original = Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 MHK [mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, = May 07,=20 2001 9:13 PM<BR><B>To:</B> quest@gu*.co*<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20 aquanaut<BR><B>Subject:</B> Deep air fatality in=20 SoCal<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John Walker and I are = doing a body=20 recovery tomorrow from yet another deep air=20 fatality..</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Facts are reported to = me by the=20 USCG..</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Two guys on a private = boat go to=20 Farnsworth bank ( backside of Catalina). The plan = was for=20 diver 1 to dive first while diver 2 stays topside to = watch the=20 boat..</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Diver 1 dives to 260' = solo on air,=20 when he get's to 10' diver 2 gets into the = water.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Diver 2's profile was = planned 280',=20 on air, solo and NO deco gas.. On top of that he = brought=20 his video camera..</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After diver one gets on = the boat he=20 doesn't see any bubbles and tries to call the USCG but = the radio=20 doesn't work. He later flags down another boat and = the=20 USCG responds.. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW, these guys were = trimix=20 certified but chose to do this dive on air.. I = spoke=20 earlier today with the parents of this 39 year old guy = and next=20 time anyone tries to defend this kind of idiocy I'll = have them=20 call the parents of this guy and let them hear the pain = in their=20 voice...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20 = size=3D2>Later</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE ></BLOCK= QUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY> </HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C0DA10.4D46EE80-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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