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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:41:24 +0200
From: mat.voss@t-*.de* (Matthias Voss)
Organization: Harry Haller Memorial Fund
To: "Dr.Jeffrey Mark" <jmark@ca*.or*>
CC: Kent Lind <klind@al*.ne*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: reg freezes
In fact a german shop ( the guys who made a widely used reg test
machine) made a lens which allowed filming the icing process in the reg
during operation. Stunning pics.
Matthias

"Dr.Jeffrey Mark" schrieb:
> 
> It has more to do with the moisturein the fill air and the maintenance
> of the regs I think
> 
> Kent Lind wrote:
> >
> > Wendell:
> >
> > Obviously saltwater freezes at a lower temperature than fresh water.  That's
> > why the put salt on the roads.
> >
> > There's a place in Juneau where the highway runs on a narrow roadbed with a
> > lake on one side and the ocean channel on the other side.  Most of the
> > winter the lake is frozen solid while the channel is open water and free of
> > ice.
> >
> > In addition to that, when seawater does freeze, it is a more slushy and
> > crumbly ice, not the sharp hard glassy stuff you get with freshwater.
> >
> > The question though, is what causes a regulator to freeze? Is it the
> > seawater that washes into the balance chamber of the regulator that freezes
> > and causes failure?  Or is it moisture in your breathing gas that condenses
> > and freezes to cause failure?
> >
> > I suppose that either could cause a reg to fail.  I've never torn apart a
> > frozen reg to see what went wrong.  However I suspect that ice forming
> > inside the air pathways of the regulator from moist air is the more common
> > failure.  In which case the medium you're diving in would not be a factor.
> >
> > On the other hand, you guys in the Great Lakes sure seem to have a lot more
> > problem with freezing than we do here in Alaska.  I used to dive MK20s all
> > winter in mid-30s degree water and never have any failures.  And I know
> > people who sport dive for king crab in the winter with all kinds of old clap
> > trap gear without problem.  Horrifying stuff like old Dacor regs.  I
> > recently switched to Apeks DS4 firsts because they were cheaper and more
> > reliable and I've never had one of those fail either.  But I hear about you
> > guys in the Great Lakes having regs fail all the time.  So maybe regs do
> > freeze faster in freshwater.
> >
> > Kent Lind
> > Juneau, Alaska
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Wendell Grogan [mailto:wgrogan@dc*.ne*]
> > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 6:04 PM
> > > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > > Subject: reg freezes
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, new subject.  We are starting the exploration of a 160-180 ft deep
> > > reservoir that may or may not have remnants of a town at depth.
> > > The question that came to mind when my thermometer was reading 36F was
> > > if there was a big difference in the tendency for a reg to freeze in
> > > salt versus fresh.  I think there is an obvious answer to this, but
> > > honestly, I was hoping someone could tell me without my having to figure
> > > this out on my own.
> > > Thanks.
> > > Wendell G
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