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From: "Richard Lundgren" <rikard.lundgren@sw*.se*>
To: "adrian scothern" <ady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*>,
     "George Irvine" ,
     "techdiver-aquanaut.com" ,
     "Chris Tibble"
Subject: Re: Isolating Manifold Question
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:49:22 +0200
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Adrian,

Not likely, the only reason to do it like you suggest is inexperience or =
lack of understanding. Follow the tread and Im shure you understand why =
you are wrong and how you would benefit from doing it right.It would be =
a shame if 3/4 of our european guys would be that ignorant and I find it =
pretty hard to belive, dont make up statistic figures on your own to =
prove your point, it will not work.

regards,
Richard Lundgren
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: adrian scothern=20
  To: adrian scothern ; George Irvine ; techdiver-aquanaut.com ; Chris =
Tibble=20
  Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:38 PM
  Subject: Re: Isolating Manifold Question





    Well, i've been diving with the ISO two half turns , since having a =
twin set!, and proberley 3/4 OF Europe dive's The BullShit Paranoia Way, =
I'm Sorry that i've No Idea about Diving OH DEMI GOD OF THE UNDERWATER =
WORLD =20

    -- Original Message -----=20
      From: George Irvine=20
      To: adrian scothern ; Chris Tibble ; techdiver-aquanaut.com=20
      Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:19 AM
      Subject: Re: Isolating Manifold Question


      And what bullshit paranoia do you attribute the "two half turns "  =
to? This is the kind of mindless crap that gets people killed. I will =
say right here and now that you can come up with no reason to do =
something that stupid that makes any sense what so ever. Give it a try.


        ----- Original Message -----=20
        From: adrian scothern=20
        To: Chris Tibble ; techdiver-aquanaut.com=20
        Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 7:04 PM
        Subject: Re: Isolating Manifold Question


        I have the ISO two half turn's on, and I think the key is to , =
Know your kit inside out, I've sat in the dark , in full kit for over 30 =
hours ,every new bit of kit , i go through the same process, and Do know =
my current config  Insideout , the wife finds this highly amusing =
if/when she walks in . same goe's for inwater training dives .

        ady

          ----- Original Message -----=20
          From: Chris Tibble=20
          To: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
          Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 6:28 PM
          Subject: Isolating Manifold Question


          Just a quickie. I'm just about to buy my first twinset with a =
manifold. I've dived twins before, independents because of fiscal =
reasons (I'm a poor student!) What I need to know is this. Some of the =
people I have talked to who dive manis only open their iso knob about =
1/2 a turn, whilst others open it all the way. Thinking about it I can =
see advantages and disadvantages to both:

          All the way
          Adv:         No risk of turning wrong way

          Disadv:     May get stuck if turned on all way
                          Have to turn it 3 turns (or whatever)

          Part way
          Adv:        V fast way of isolating

          Disadv:    Can turn it the wrong way=20
                         Not having it open all the way may limit =
equalisation across the manifold.

          Now any or all of this may be unmitigated rubbish, but it's =
just what I was thinking about last night.

          Any comments/suggestions as to how best to do it?

          As this is my first post, go easy on me - I'm still learning!

          Many thanks,

          Chris


          --
          It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh =
at that man.




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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Adrian,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Not likely, the only reason to do it =
like you=20
suggest is inexperience or lack of understanding. Follow the tread and =
Im shure=20
you understand why you are wrong and how you would benefit from doing it =

right.It would be a shame if 3/4 of our european guys would be that =
ignorant and=20
I find it pretty hard to belive, dont make up statistic figures on your =
own to=20
prove your point, it will not work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Richard Lundgren</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*=20
  href=3D"mailto:ady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*">adrian scothern</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*=20
  href=3D"mailto:ady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*">adrian scothern</A> ; <A=20
  title=3Dkirvine@sa*.ne* href=3D"mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*">George =
Irvine</A> ;=20
  <A title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver-aquanaut.com</A> ; <A =

  title=3Dchris.tibble@bt*.co*=20
  href=3D"mailto:chris.tibble@bt*.co*">Chris Tibble</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 13, 2001 =
12:38=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Isolating
Manifold =

  Question</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, i've been diving
with =
the ISO two=20
    half turns , since having a twin set!, and proberley 3/4 OF =
Europe=20
    dive's The BullShit Paranoia Way, I'm Sorry that i've No Idea =
about=20
    Diving OH DEMI GOD OF THE UNDERWATER WORLD  =
</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
    <DIV> </DIV>
    <DIV>-- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE=20
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      <DIV=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Dkirvine@sa*.ne* =
href=3D"mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*">George=20
      Irvine</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
      title=3Dady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*=20
      href=3D"mailto:ady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*">adrian scothern</A> ; <A =

      title=3Dchris.tibble@bt*.co*=20
      href=3D"mailto:chris.tibble@bt*.co*">Chris Tibble</A> ; <A=20
      title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
      href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver-aquanaut.com</A> =
</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 13, =
2001 11:19=20
      AM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Isolating =
Manifold=20
      Question</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D4>And what bullshit paranoia do you attribute =
the "two=20
      half turns "  to? This is the kind of mindless crap that gets =
people=20
      killed. I will say right here and now that you can come up with no =
reason=20
      to do something that stupid that makes any sense what so ever. =
Give it a=20
      try.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV> </DIV>
      <DIV> </DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE=20
      style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
        <A title=3Dady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*=20
        href=3D"mailto:ady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*">adrian scothern</A> =
</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
        title=3Dchris.tibble@bt*.co*=20
        href=3D"mailto:chris.tibble@bt*.co*">Chris Tibble</A> ; =
<A=20
        title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
        =
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver-aquanaut.com</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April
12, =
2001 7:04=20
        PM</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Isolating =
Manifold=20
        Question</DIV>
        <DIV><BR></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have the ISO two half =
turn's on, and=20
        I think the key is to , <STRONG>Know your kit inside =
out</STRONG>, I've=20
        sat in the dark , in full kit for over 30 hours ,every new bit =
of kit ,=20
        i go through the same process, and Do know my current =
config =20
        Insideout , the wife finds this highly amusing if/when she =
walks in=20
        . same goe's for inwater training dives .</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV> </DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ady</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV> </DIV>
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        style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
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</DIV>
          <DIV=20
          style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
          <A title=3Dchris.tibble@bt*.co*=20
          href=3D"mailto:chris.tibble@bt*.co*">Chris Tibble</A> =
</DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
          title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
          =
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> </DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April
=
12, 2001=20
          6:28 PM</DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Isolating =
Manifold=20
          Question</DIV>
          <DIV><BR></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just a quickie. I'm just =
about to buy my=20
          first twinset with a manifold. I've dived twins before, =
independents=20
          because of fiscal reasons (I'm a poor student!) What I need to =
know is=20
          this. Some of the people I have talked to who dive manis only =
open=20
          their iso knob about 1/2 a turn, whilst others open it all the =
way.=20
          Thinking about it I can see advantages and disadvantages to=20
          both:</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All the way</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Adv:    =20
              No risk of turning wrong way</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Disadv:     =
May get stuck=20
          if turned on all way</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>    =
   =20
                  Have to turn it 3 turns =
(or=20
          whatever)</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Part way</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Adv:    =
   =20
          V fast way of isolating</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Disadv:    Can =
turn it the=20
          wrong way </FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
          =
size=3D2>          &nbs=
p;    Not=20
          having it open all the way may limit equalisation across the=20
          manifold.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now any or all of this may be =
unmitigated=20
          rubbish, but it's just what I was thinking about last=20
          night.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any comments/suggestions as =
to how best=20
          to do it?</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As this is my first post, go =
easy on me -=20
          I'm still learning!</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Many thanks,</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chris</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>--</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It takes a big man to cry, =
but it takes a=20
          bigger man to laugh at that man.<BR></DIV>
          =
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