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From: <Jsuw@ao*.co*>
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:33:57 EST
Subject: Re: Rule of 3rd,Handsignal-Q
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com

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In a message dated 3/21/01 8:40:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
AlanPelstring@ao*.co* writes:

> 
> In a message dated 3/21/01 3:56:06 AM, wae@te*.co* writes:
> 
> >Third of gas and to signal that its
> >time to turn the dive and head back.I know ,in a cave its
> >easy,its simple the "lets-surface sign",but what is commonly used in
> >YOUR country during  an OW-dive and virtuell overhead enviroment due
> >too the deco-obligations.
> 
> 
> In cave, the end dive signal means - lets exit right now with no delays, 
> leaving gear if need be. If the situation is more relaxed, like when you 
> want 
> to turn on thirds or time, which is the case most of the time, we use the 
> following signal
> 
> Index finger only points up and then twirls (spins) around.  
> 
> To help picture this, move your finger like you are trying to stir a glass 
> of 
> water that is upside down. This is the 'turn dive' signal.
> 
> We use this in cave and ocean diving.
> 
> If your buddy is a bit slow then go right to the 'call dive [end dive]' 
> signal.
> 
> 
> hope this helps
> 
> Alan Pelstring
> S. Fl.
> 

I routinely use the signal Alan described for turning the dive in a "non- 
emergency" mode.  However, there was some discussion, as yet without a 
conclusion, regarding a different signal.  

The signal is the ascent signal (thumb up) with the index finger extended, as 
if to point to the cave entrance, or ascent line on a wreck.  The thought was 
that this was a universal signal, with meaning for both cave and wreck 
diving.  Both indicate a normal ascent procedure, with a return to the 
support available on an open water ascent line, or an unhurried exit from a 
cave.  

The thumbs up signal would mean an immediate ascent in open water, without a 
return to the ascent line, or a situation requiring an immediate exit from a 
cave, with no sight seeing on the way out.

Thoughts?

JS

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  COLOR="#800040" SIZE=2
FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0">In a message dated 3/21/01
8:40:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
<BR>AlanPelstring@ao*.co* writes:
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FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
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<BR>In a message dated 3/21/01 3:56:06 AM, wae@te*.co* writes:
<BR>
<BR>>Third of gas and to signal that its
<BR>>time to turn the dive and head back.I know ,in a cave its
<BR>>easy,its simple the "lets-surface sign",but what is commonly used in
<BR>>YOUR country during  an OW-dive and virtuell overhead
enviroment due
<BR>>too the deco-obligations.
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>In cave, the end dive signal means - lets exit right now with no delays, 
<BR>leaving gear if need be. If the situation is more relaxed, like when you 
<BR>want 
<BR>to turn on thirds or time, which is the case most of the time, we use
the 
<BR>following signal
<BR>
<BR>Index finger only points up and then twirls (spins) around.  
<BR>
<BR>To help picture this, move your finger like you are trying to stir a
glass 
<BR>of 
<BR>water that is upside down. This is the 'turn dive' signal.
<BR>
<BR>We use this in cave and ocean diving.
<BR>
<BR>If your buddy is a bit slow then go right to the 'call dive [end dive]' 
<BR>signal.
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>hope this helps
<BR>
<BR>Alan Pelstring
<BR>S. Fl.
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#800040" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic
Sans MS" LANG="0">
<BR>I routinely use the signal Alan described for turning the dive in a
"non- 
<BR>emergency" mode.  However, there was some discussion, as yet
without a 
<BR>conclusion, regarding a different signal.  
<BR>
<BR>The signal is the ascent signal (thumb up) with the index finger
extended, as 
<BR>if to point to the cave entrance, or ascent line on a wreck.  The
thought was 
<BR>that this was a universal signal, with meaning for both cave and wreck 
<BR>diving.  Both indicate a normal ascent procedure, with a return to
the 
<BR>support available on an open water ascent line, or an unhurried exit
from a 
<BR>cave.  
<BR>
<BR>The thumbs up signal would mean an immediate ascent in open water,
without a 
<BR>return to the ascent line, or a situation requiring an immediate exit
from a 
<BR>cave, with no sight seeing on the way out.
<BR>
<BR>Thoughts?
<BR>
<BR>JS</FONT></HTML>

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