Hi Aldo
I do not underestimate anyone, there are several out there who could 
contribute a great amount of information about diving. But usually those 
who have an agenda will post things and then bash those who oppose their 
ideas or suggestions, it keeps those who could contribute from posting 
because why put up with the bashing., they are already doing the dives and 
do not need gear or training, only those who are not doing it need that 
info and request it,  those who want to sell it will tell you what you want 
to hear, its called business . There are several who have a great more 
knowledge and level of diving higher than mine. That could even be you, but 
I have never seen you put your dives on the line for others to pick apart, 
do you dive? We (VBtech) repeatedly put our dives out on this list to be 
judged by everyone, even the bad ones. Techdivers generally will not make 
public any mistakes or failed attempts they have made or been a part of, 
their ego cannot handle it. I am being bashed because I missed the wreck in 
high current at nearly 500ft. Its kind of funny, there are only a handful 
of divers on this list that can even consider diving that depth and not one 
of them is doing the negative posting toward me. You figure that one out.


JT





   At 01:58 AM 3/17/01 +0000, Aldo P. Solari [APS] wrote:
>Capt  JT:  I  wouldnt  be  so sure "most of the divers inhere are
>inexperienced".  If  I  were  you,  I  wouldnt  underestimate the
>knowledge  and  experience of people who you do not know. You are
>not coherent in your arguments: in earlier posts, you argued that
>people   who   didnt   know   you  couldnt  know  your  level  of
>knowledge/diving.  However,  you, now, underestimate other people
>you do not know.
>
>As  far  as  I  see  it,  there  is a huge difference between the
>DIR/WKPP/GUE  groups  and others (you or anyone else): these guys
>are  DEVELOPING a NEW FRAMEWORK for diving, not just doing dives.
>They  do  experiments,  take  samples,  have scientists, lawyers,
>medical doctors, geologists, et al. and they attempt to summarize
>and  make up a theoretical-empirical diving system.
>
>Developing  new  frameworks imply great efforts and sacrifices of
>every  nature and these guys should be assisted in their efforts.
>
>All  in  all Capt., these guys go well beyond little tiny selfish
>activities trying to make things better.
>
>cheers,
>
>
>aldo.solari@ho*.se*
>www.ccbb.ulpgc.es/fish-ecology/solaris
>___
>
>captjt@mi*.co*
>
>CJ> Hi Manos
>
>CJ> To  try  and make it clear to you, most of the divers who use
>CJ> this  list as a guide are inexperienced, those that really do
>CJ> dives  will  not engage in this list because they must put up
>CJ> with  lies  and  badgering  from certain people and a cast of
>CJ> wantabees.  To date there are 2 groups that have been willing
>CJ> to  post  detailed dive reports to help inform divers on this
>CJ> list  who  is  really are doing it and how it is really done.
>CJ> Those 2 groups are AUE and our group here VBtech, both groups
>CJ> have  embraced  many  of  the  DIR ways, but have not limited
>CJ> themselves  to the exact teachings, because in the real world
>CJ> it just does not work that way. There are no other groups who
>CJ> conduct  the  high number of deep technical wreck/ocean dives
>CJ> that  these  2  do  and  do  reports  on them. I have on many
>CJ> occasions  detailed  things done wrong or mishaps that I have
>CJ> survived,  I am still here walking and diving. You can either
>CJ> call  it a CF like some do or learn from it I don't care, I'm
>CJ> the  only one willing to tell the truth. I have no friends so
>CJ> close  that  I  will  lie  for  them when it comes to gear or
>CJ> safety.  I  cannot  help it is just me. Even in light of some
>CJ> private emails that I have pulled lines from to show you what
>CJ> I  have  to  deal  with  and  removed the names below. I have
>CJ> hundreds  of such emails that show the real truth behind most
>CJ> post  to  make  people look bad, I will continue to speak the
>CJ> truth.
>
>CJ> >You  can fuck with xxxxx all you want, he is an acquaintance
>CJ> as  is  xxxxxx.  xx  and  some  of the others are off limits,
>CJ> unless  you  want  to  be publicly raked over the coals every
>CJ> time you talk.
>
>CJ> >And,  if  JT keeps doing stupid things and gets wacked, then
>CJ> it  reflects  on  all  of  us  who are trying to DIR, and the
>CJ> idiots  will  be  all fucking over it. Then I have to make up
>CJ> some shit about JT being retarded.
>
>CJ> Manos do not be so naive....
>
>CJ> JT

"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the 
water"
Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
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Email     captjt@mi*.co*


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