Jim, the resentment factor is always going to make it impossible for those
guys to learn from me any more than Tom Mouth could learn from me. That is
your guys problem, not mine. You guys have not even scratched the surface of
what I know that makes me and the WKPP tick on this whole subject, and while
you personally have no problem learning from me, your buddies can not do it.
Their loss , not mine. I know, they are guessing. Real simple.

What it boils down to is that I can say a few things here and there, and
most people are smart enough to get it, but when it comes to the real deal,
if I want to rock, I grab a few WKPP guys and DIR with no bullshit. The only
way to go. I do not fuck with anyone who does not get the joke.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 11:25 AM
To: vbtech@ci*.co*; Kevin Connell; dwiden@ho*.co*;
captjt@mi*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Deep wreck in FL


George-

While I have read plenty of bullshit posts on this list about improbable
profiles I must say that I have never read JT or anybody else associated
with VBtech tell anything but the truth on actual bottom times and deco
schedules.

On the contrary we listen very closely to your continuing research on
extreme diving survival strategies and JT and his dive partners have done
much over the years to apply deep stops, Trimix deco gases and other
techniques you, JJ and the WKPP have pioneered and made available to fellow
techdivers.

And you yourself have said that the Ocean is no place for WKPP style bottom
times and we agree completely, there are too many variables associated with
ocean diving to screw around with hours-long deco, particularly up here in
the north. Heroic bottom times are not a part of our tech diving and never
will be. I do agree with you that a deep scooter should be a prerequisite
for this type of high current diving, if you don't have one it appears that
it's pretty much a crapshoot on getting to your target.

   Jim
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> From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> Reply-To: vbtech@ci*.co*
> Date: 6 Mar 2001 05:47:36 -0500
> To: Kevin Connell <kevin@co*.ne*>, dwiden@ho*.co*,
> vbtech@ci*.co*, captjt@mi*.co*
> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: RE: Deep wreck in FL
>
> Kev, these guys bounce to a wreck and spend two minutes and call it 30,
and
> then deco for a week. That is the one or two they actually hit. The rest
are
> sand drift dives in the Gulf Stream that take all day.
>
> When we do it we get my brother's or fathers boat or charter other persons
> who have fast boats with excellent fishing sounders that will mark
anything,
> and sometimes we run a second boat as well. We mark them with the Cuban
hand
> reel and grouper ball with the freediving float and then scooter from up
> current down to the line and then along the line below the current to the
> wreck, and when we are done, we cut the grouper ball off and reel up the
> float line and deco out on the drift. I have a stockpile of 40 pound iron
> "balls" for this. They hit every time with the Cuban reel and the tuna
line
> . For longer projects, we charter a boat for the time it takes to get it
> done, like the Bahamian stuff that Carmichael was doing. That was all
> massive depth and no bullshit or misses - ever.
>
> For the regular weenie wrecks we mark them with a hook and line and
scooter
> in, secure the line, dive, then pull the hook and drift with the float.
>
> Scooters and rebreathers for the crazy stuff. Double 80's for the weenie
> wrecks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@co*.ne*]
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:59 PM
> To: dwiden@ho*.co*; vbtech@ci*.co*; captjt@mi*.co*
> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: RE: Deep wreck in FL
>
>
> You guys sure get your panties in a wad easy.
>
> The point is this:  You can kill yourself doing anything.   Using the
> argument "people die on rebreathers" is not a reason not to dive one in
> general.   What's next?  Don't use a proper scooter because they might
> actually allow you to get something done on a dive and you only can find
> one wreck a year so you might get bored?
>
> At 08:00 PM 3/5/2001 -0500, David B. Widen wrote:
>> Kevin
>>
>> So what is the purpose of your post. If you have nothing reasonable (good
> or
>> bad) to say about an activity then do not waste the bandwidth.
>>
>> David
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: listowner@ci*.co* [mailto:listowner@ci*.co*]On
>> Behalf Of Kevin Connell
>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 3:08 PM
>> To: trey@ne*.co*; vbtech@ci*.co*; captjt@mi*.co*
>> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
>> Subject: RE: Deep wreck in FL
>>
>>
>> JT, Do you drive a car? Ride in an airplane?  I'm not even sure you can
>> walk, because legs have been known to kill people.
>
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