Dave, for JT to make some mindless bullshit comment that is an outright lie
when he has no clue what the fuck he is talking about is no excuse for you
to be an ignorant asshole as well. When either of you can even hold a
conversation with Kevin Connell about diving without all of us rolling on
the floor laughing I will be very surprised. Now shut the fuck up unless YOU
have something to say that is other than crap.

JT is practicing for a coffin. He is doing it all wrong, and he has no
fucking idea why, and he has no interest in finding out, despite his
comments to the contrary .

 I have done more of this shit that all of you combined ever will - been
there done that and know how it needs to be done, so does Connell.


-----Original Message-----
From: David B. Widen [mailto:dwiden@ho*.co*]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:01 PM
To: vbtech@ci*.co*; captjt@mi*.co*; 'Kevin Connell'
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: Deep wreck in FL


Kevin

So what is the purpose of your post. If you have nothing reasonable (good or
bad) to say about an activity then do not waste the bandwidth.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: listowner@ci*.co* [mailto:listowner@ci*.co*]On
Behalf Of Kevin Connell
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 3:08 PM
To: trey@ne*.co*; vbtech@ci*.co*; captjt@mi*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: Deep wreck in FL


JT, Do you drive a car? Ride in an airplane?  I'm not even sure you can
walk, because legs have been known to kill people.


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:20:41 -0500

>Hi George
>As there is always some truth and logic to your post, usually twisted but
>there, I will answer this one only and then no more. Yes, a RB would be the
>best gear for that dive. I do not use one because there is not one
>available that cannot be linked to a death as the most likely cause. Until
>one is made that is to my liking I don't want one, I'll let others buy them
>and wait to see what happens, I feel very comfortable on OC and believe in
>most problems I can solve on them, but out of gas is dead and at best it is
>a risk. So all on this list do not try and do what I have just done. I have
>no depth preoccupation, it is a dive addiction with adventure to it. Just
>so everyone understands that dive was at the extreme mental end of what I
>think I can take at this time, very few will ever know what a free descent
>to that depth feels like.
>Thanks for the offer to work with your Dad and Chris, I already know how to
>weld and that is real work, no fun involved. Just like you, I have no
>interest in real work. I have too much fun to let work get in my way.
>
>Thanks for the concern
>JT
>
>
>
>
>
>   At 06:29 AM 3/5/01 -0500, Trey wrote:
>
>>JT, don't press the bet with the wrong gear. Your life is worth more than
>>that. Been there, done that. Take it or leave it.
>>
>>This depth preoccupation is a bad thing. Learn to weld and I can get you
in
>>on some 1000 foot dives with my dad's operation in the Gulf, or see Chris
>>Werner of WKPP - he works for Schlumberger as a geologist on offshore
rigs -
>>he can get you some deep dives. Bring your tools.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>>Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 10:47 AM
>>To: vbtech@ci*.co*
>>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
>>Subject: RE: Deep wreck in FL
>>
>>
>>I just got home, a bit tired from the drive. Will try to write my report
>>later today after some sleep. In it you will find we covered everything
you
>>said here and more, we had every local expert we needed/wanted available
to
>>pull it off safely and we did.
>>
>>At 07:03 AM 3/3/01 -0500, Trey wrote:
>>
>> >JT, these things are hard to hit due to the top current which usually
only
>> >extends down 150 feet, but can be up to 3 knots. We use 130 pound test
>> >dacron with a monel leader and a giant grouper ball to mark the wreck,
and
>> >then put a freediving float at the other end and scooter from the float
>> >down. Fisherman can put a bait on an exact spot in any depth here or
they
>> >don't catch.
>> >
>> >Trying to drift these things is a nightmare due to guessing the depth of
>>the
>> >current and the stress of a fast ascent. We do not do it that way unless
it
>> >is a must, and then we back off after the first 150 feet and go slow,
but
>> >that 2 or three minutes has to be exactly gauged relative to the drift.
We
>> >use a GPS handheld and check it several times before dropping for real
when
>> >we do it that way.
>> >
>> >500 foot wreck dives need to be done with a rebreather, not open
circuit.
>> >We've done some 450's open, but it was pain in the ass gas wise and if
we
>> >had got hung up, it would be all over. With even my rb, which is semi
>> >closed, I turn double 80's into 1600 cubic feet of gas.
>> >
>> >JJ and I have decided not to do this shit on oc anymore . Sure, we
pulled
>>it
>> >off for years on wreck and cave, and JJ did penetration filming dives on
>>the
>> >Britannic at 400 odd feet, but then Dale Earnhardt is my age and had a
half
>> >lap to go at Daytona. No thanks, my dick is already big enough.
>> >
>> >You guys are asking for that last half lap with this kind of thing. I
know
>> >it is real adventurous, but it is also not too smart. Save your money
and
>> >buy a rebreather. I do not want to read about your dead ass.
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>> >Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 9:00 PM
>> >To: vbtech@ci*.co*
>> >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
>> >Subject: Deep wreck in FL
>> >
>> >
>> >Hi All
>> >Just a short note to let everyone who knew about the unknown wreck that
>> >Rick Atkins and myself were going to dive turned out safe with the
support
>> >of the VBtech team. The wreck which sits in nearly 500fsw was too small
for
>> >the drop, we dropped up current of the wreck which has a small profile.
A
>> >small object to hit at that extreme depth in strong current . We spent 8
>> >mins at 490ft looking for the wreck, we had missed it. I will give a
>> >complete report when I get back home.
>> >
>> >JT
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>>water"
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