no.

The 80s are smaller tanks than the 104s, i have a set of each in the 
garage and have dove both with dry suit and full dir regalia. even with 
an 80 stage and a 40 deco bottle, the dbl 80 rig is not as cumbersome as 
the 104s, and i am talking in-water, not dry land. As far as deck space 
goes i can carry two sets in the same footprint as one set of 104s. 
Whats not to love.

Marv

Kevin Connell wrote:

> aren't three eighties more weight (and more bulky) than two 104's?   
> We would need an extra stage on a couple of the dives we do.
> 
> At 11:37 PM 2/25/2001 -0500, Marv wrote:
> 
>> Paul,
>> 
>> i just got finished reviewing the available archived posts and i 
>> remain convinced that dbl al 80s are a faster slicker set up for 
>> ocean diving.While 104s give you you a nice package one can acheive 
>> the buoyancy equivalent  with 80s and weights for ocean and have a 
>> rig with no down side that presents less of a hassle while transiting 
>> the entry/exit portion of the dive..
>> 
>> That being said, stick with the 104s until you finish the training, 
>> so you wont have problems with the northwest mafia and then you can 
>> get some 80s on the cheap and compare for yourself; since youll have 
>> the manifold all youll need is twos 80s and $75 diverite bands .
>> 
>> Apparently its one of those things you dont believe until you try, 
>> kind of like the rest of DIR......................................
>> 
>> best,
>> 
>> Marv
>> 
>> Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
>> 
>>> I just ordered double 104's based on the idea that this is the ideal 
>>> setup.  I'm going to be using this *a lot* off a small boat.  Should 
>>> I get something else instead?
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> George Irvine wrote:
>>> ~
>>> 
>>>> I keep saying it -  weight yourself so that with little or no gas 
>>>> you can
>>>> hover at ten feet, and with full gas you can swim up with no 
>>>> inflation by
>>>> dropping something.
>>>> That covers it.
>>>> For tank choice in ocean, big heavy tanks are dangerous boat 
>>>> diving, so are
>>>> not my first choice. I'd rather add a stage and dive it dry , 
>>>> leaving my
>>>> back gas intact.
>>>> Cave diving is different in that you need more gas to go farther 
>>>> and the
>>>> decompression is in a safe environment,not open sea with all its 
>>>> vagaries.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Marv" <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>
>>>> To: "George Irvine" <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
>>>> Cc: <allysonclagett@ea*.ne*>; "'Kevin Connell'" 
>>>> <kevin@co*.ne*>;
>>>> "'Paul Braunbehrens'" <Bakalite@ba*.co*>; "'Chris Elmore'"
>>>> <elmorec@at*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 8:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: DIHUL, was: Fins question
>>>> 
>>>>>  Geroge,
>>>>>  I am more or less the instigator of this mess , and I would like 
>>>>> to just
>>>>>  bring a couple of things more into focus.
>>>>>  If you had limited funds< like Paul does> which tank would you 
>>>>> buy, the
>>>>>  al80s or the 104s, if you were only diving ocean?
>>>>>  Why exactly is the 80 the "tank of choice" for the ocean? Is 
>>>>> there some
>>>>>  reason besides buoyancy and  cost?
>>>>>  What is more important on a deco dive inthe ocean, ability to 
>>>>> ultimately
>>>>>  surface by ditching weight to become positive or  remaining 
>>>>> beneath the
>>>>>  deco ceiling by other means< buddy support divers bring gas, etc>
>>>>>  I am thinking that your primary concern in the ocean  is drowning,
>>>>>  followed by inert gas concerns. Which is more or less important 
>>>>> to the
>>>>>  dir diver in the ocean?
>>>>>  Did i misquote you or miss some context in your original 
>>>>> article<where i
>>>>>  quoted from your gear config piece re al 80s in the ocean, which 
>>>>> is in
>>>>>  the morass below.> ?
>>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>>  Marv
>>>>>  George Irvine wrote:
>>>>>  > Think of it this way , Allyson: whatever you are wearing, you 
>>>>> should be
>>>> 
>>>> able
>>>> 
>>>>>  > to stay at ten feet with almost no gas, and you should be able 
>>>>> to swim
>>>> 
>>>> up
>>>> 
>>>>>  > from depth with no inflation of any kind ( by dropping 
>>>>> something ). If
>>>> 
>>>> you
>>>> 
>>>>>  > can do that, you are DIR. If not, you are a moron ( not you, 
>>>>> Allyson ).
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>  > From: "Allyson" <allysonclagett@ea*.ne*>
>>>>>  > To: "'Kevin Connell'" <kevin@co*.ne*>; "'Marv'"
>>>> 
>>>> <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>;
>>>> 
>>>>>  > "'Paul Braunbehrens'" <Bakalite@ba*.co*>
>>>>>  > Cc: "'Chris Elmore'" <elmorec@at*.ne*>; 
>>>>> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>>>  > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:00 PM
>>>>>  > Subject: RE: DIHUL, was: Fins question
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >> Hi Marv,
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >> You're right, George Irvine's "Doing It Right Gear Configuration"
>>>> 
>>>> article
>>>> 
>>>>>  >> says that for ocean diving "aluminum 80's are the tank of 
>>>>> choice."
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > However
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >> the article also says "in ocean or lake diving, steel tanks 
>>>>> should
>>>> 
>>>> never
>>>> 
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > be
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >> used without a drysuit."
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >> So what I surmise from the article is, if you are diving in 
>>>>> the ocean
>>>> 
>>>> in a
>>>> 
>>>>>  >> wetsuit, definitely use aluminum 80's--with a wetsuit, never 
>>>>> use steel
>>>>>  >> tanks.  If you are diving a drysuit in the ocean, using steel 
>>>>> tanks is
>>>>>  >> acceptable (as you will need less weight elsewhere on your 
>>>>> person.)
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >> ~Allyson
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>  >> From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@co*.ne*]
>>>>>  >> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 12:08 AM
>>>>>  >> To: Marv; Paul Braunbehrens
>>>>>  >> Cc: Chris Elmore; techdiver@aquanaut.com; GUE Mailing List
>>>>>  >> Subject: Re: DIHUL, was: Fins question
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >> Marv, is it DIR because you read something george wrote (out of
>>>>>  >> context)  and you happen to use the same equipment?
>>>> 
>>>>  > >>
>>>> 
>>>>>  >> Can you come out here and retrain everyone, maybe offer some 
>>>>> lectures
>>>> 
>>>> on
>>>> 
>>>>>  >> DIR?   We seem to be stroking out big time with steel tanks.
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >> armchair  diving at its finest.
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >> At 11:37 PM 2/20/2001 -0500, Marv wrote:
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>> THis is not just a Paul thing but since he brougth it up, its 
>>>>> the
>>>> 
>>>> ideal
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>> place for it.
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>> If you are diving in the ocean , what is the ideal tank?
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>> not what tank can you make work or what tank is kind of ok, 
>>>>> but what
>>>> 
>>>> tank
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>> is DIR??
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>> its the   ALUMINUM 80
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>> These tanks are one third the cost of steel whatevers and one 
>>>>> fifth
>>>> 
>>>> the
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>> weight.
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>> They are the ultimate tank in terms of buoyancy, when
>>>> 
>>>> manifolded&doubled
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>> up with a steel plate for drysuit diving you will not realize 
>>>>> you are
>>>>>  >>> wearing tanks, they have more than enuff gas for most reasonable
>>>> 
>>>> dives,
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>> and they are by definition the dir tank of choice for the 
>>>>> ocean. They
>>>> 
>>>> are
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>> easy to dive with a tls 350, c4 14 size light and a weight 
>>>>> belt or if
>>>> 
>>>> you
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>> must a v weight.
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>> check out Georges article on wkpp.org if you doubt what i am 
>>>>> telling
>>>> 
>>>> you.
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>> Its right there in black and white.or read below.
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>> Marv
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>> From "Equipment Configuration", G. Irvine, wkpp.org
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>> "  For ocean, aluminum 80's are the tank of choice. If more 
>>>>> gas is
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  > needed,
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >>> take an aluminum stage, but don't risk your life being over 
>>>>> weighted
>>>> 
>>>> at
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>> the beginning of the dive. The buoyancy characteristics of 
>>>>> aluminum,
>>>>>  >>> especially when using helium , are such that a weight belt 
>>>>> and or
>>>>>  >>> canister light will provide the necessary ballast which can 
>>>>> be dropped
>>>>>  >>> in an emergency, making the rig only reasonably negative when 
>>>>> full,
>>>>>  >>> neutral when empty, but swimable by dropping the weight. "
>>>>>  >>>                  ----George Irvine
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>> Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>>> I already replaced a bunch of stuff, this is not the 
>>>>> beginning of
>>>>>  >>>> switching to a DIR setup.  The DIR tanks cost $900 and weigh 
>>>>> a ton. I
>>>>>  >>>> can't stomach it in my pocketbook or knees right now.  
>>>>> Someone else
>>>> 
>>>> said
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>> my tanks will work for now.
>>>>>  >>>> Kevin Connell wrote:
>>>>>  >>>> ~
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>> So what's the problem paul, you only need to replace your 
>>>>> tanks and
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  > your
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >>>>> fins.  you did way better than I did, I had to replace 
>>>>> everything.
>>>>>  >>>>> Dry gloves are OK as long as the wrist seal is intact.
>>>>>  >>>>> Drysuit is fine.  it's compressed.  Actually a nice suit if 
>>>>> you ask
>>>> 
>>>> me.
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>> You won't need the weights with proper tanks.
>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>> At 11:23 AM 2/20/2001 -0800, Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>> Chris, I've had the twin jets since before I was exposed 
>>>>> to DIR.  I
>>>>>  >>>>>> also have a neoprene drysuit, a set of HP doubles, and an 
>>>>> atomic
>>>>>  >>>>>> regulator.  Sorry, I just don't have $2k sitting around 
>>>>> right now
>>>> 
>>>> to
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>> change all my gear.  I'm trying to figure out what I can 
>>>>> use in the
>>>>>  >>>>>> tech 1 class, and what I need to change.  In the real 
>>>>> world you
>>>> 
>>>> need
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>  > to
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>> make some compromises.  It's either do the class with most 
>>>>> of the
>>>> 
>>>> gear
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>> I have now, or wait until I have the money to switch all 
>>>>> my gear
>>>>>  >>>>>> around, and that could be a while.  So I"m trying to 
>>>>> figure out
>>>> 
>>>> what
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>> will "work", and what I absolutely have to replace now.  I 
>>>>> just
>>>> 
>>>> priced
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>> the jet fins, they are a minor expense, I'll be getting them
>>>> 
>>>> shortly.
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>> Thanks for your offer to let me borrow your stuff, BTW, 
>>>>> but I've
>>>> 
>>>> long
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>> since learned that you need to train using your own gear, 
>>>>> if the
>>>>>  >>>>>> training is to be worth anything.
>>>>>  >>>>>> Just for kicks, here is a list of what I'm using, as you 
>>>>> can see
>>>> 
>>>> I've
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>> already blown a lot of money...
>>>>>  >>>>>> PST HP 100 doubles with isolator manifold
>>>>>  >>>>>> G250/M20 on a necklace, and Atomic on a 7 ft hose.
>>>>>  >>>>>> brass spg.
>>>>>  >>>>>> 10 W HID
>>>>>  >>>>>> Halcyon integrated weights
>>>>>  >>>>>> OMS SS backplate
>>>>>  >>>>>> Harness (webbing from EE, the other stuff I had laying 
>>>>> around)
>>>>>  >>>>>> 2 EE backup lights
>>>> 
>>>>  > >>>>>> Diving Concepts compressed neoprene drysuit
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>> Halcyon 65 lb wing (I have some bondage wings sitting in 
>>>>> my garage
>>>> 
>>>> in
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>> case anyone wants them)
>>>>>  >>>>>> Twin jet fins with spring straps (soon to be Jet fins)
>>>>>  >>>>>> Halcyon lift bag
>>>>>  >>>>>> Halcyon Sausage
>>>>>  >>>>>> Dry gloves with ring system (this was a poor choice, but 
>>>>> I'm stuck
>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>  > with
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>> it for now).
>>>>>  >>>>>> So here is the question really.  I just don't have the 
>>>>> bucks to
>>>> 
>>>> change
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>> the drysuit and the tanks right now, and I'm sure those 
>>>>> two are the
>>>>>  >>>>>> worst offenders.  Should I postpone the class until I've 
>>>>> changed
>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>  > those,
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>> or should I take the class now?
>>>>>  >>>>>> Please advise.
>>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>> Chris Elmore wrote:
>>>>>  >>>>>> ~
>>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>> Paul,
>>>>>  >>>>>>>      George was right, "What are we going to do with 
>>>>> you?" I've
>>>> 
>>>> been
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>>> diving
>>>>>  >>>>>>> since '68 and a pressure gauge is the only thing that 
>>>>> made it past
>>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>>  > the
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >> DIR
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>> purge. To clarify: DIR stands for Doing It Right. It 
>>>>> doesn't mean
>>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>>  > Doing
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >> It
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>> Half-assed Until Later. You keep asking questions, 
>>>>> getting good
>>>>>  >>>>>>> answers then
>>>>>  >>>>>>> buying crap anyway. Sign up for a GUE course and I'll let 
>>>>> you
>>>> 
>>>> borrow
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>>> all my
>>>>>  >>>>>>> stuff for the week. Geez, put the coffee on.
>>>>>  >>>>>>> C.
>>>>>  >>>>>>> Chris Elmore
>>>>>  >>>>>>> PalmettoSoft Technologies Corp.
>>>>>  >>>>>>> (803) 233-2001 (work)
>>>>>  >>>>>>> (803) 348-3055 (mobile)
>>>>>  >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>  >>>>>>> From: Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*>
>>>>>  >>>>>>> To: <thomas@ha*.ne*>; Steve Schultz
>>>>>  >>>>>>> <se2schul@bl*.ma*.uw*.ca*>;
>>>>>  >>>>>>> Stefan Bolka <sbolka@er*.co*>
>>>>>  >>>>>>> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; GUE Mailing List 
>>>>> <quest@gu*.co*>
>>>>>  >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 11:59 AM
>>>>>  >>>>>>> Subject: RE: Fins question
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  Because I've been diving for a couple of decades, and 
>>>>> happen to
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  > have
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  some equipment that I purchased before I was exposed to 
>>>>> DIR.
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  DUH!
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  Thomas Tukker wrote:
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  ~
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >Hmmm, never seen any of those in Wakulla...
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >Guess you're in for another purchase.
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >Why not buy what you see all DIR divers wear in the first
>>>> 
>>>> place,
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >> that
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>> might
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >be a money saving strategy if you have a limited 
>>>>> budget to work
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >> with
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >TT
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  From: Paul Braunbehrens [mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co*]
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 2:07 AM
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  To: Steve Schultz; Stefan Bolka
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; GUE Mailing List
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  Subject: Re: Fins question
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  Steve, that's not my experience.  I was also 
>>>>> wondering if
>>>> 
>>>> the
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >> twin
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  jets are DIR, 'cause when I got a dry suit and had 
>>>>> to get
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> larger fins
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  I did get the twin jets.  As far as how well they 
>>>>> work, they
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >> work
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  very well.  No cramps, and you will move faster.
>>>>> They don't
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >> "feel"
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  like you're doing much work, i.e. there isn't much
>>>> 
>>>> resistance
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> to work
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  against, but if you compare against known variables 
>>>>> you'll
>>>> 
>>>> see
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >> that
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  your speed under water has improved.
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  I sure hope they're ok, 'cause I'm already going to 
>>>>> blow a
>>>> 
>>>> lot
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >> of
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>  > >>  money on other stuff including the tech1 class, 
>>>>> and don't
>>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>>  > want
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >> to
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  have to buy fins as well.
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  Cheers.
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  Steve Schultz wrote:
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  ~
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >Stefan,
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >Data can be manipulated statistically to serve 
>>>>> whoever is
>>>> 
>>>>  > >>>>>>>> publishing
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>> the
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >info.
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >When you read info about fin efficiency, see who is
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  > publishing
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >> the
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>> data,
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >and ask yourself if they have something to gain.
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >More importantly, try it yourself in the water.
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >I tried the bio-fin a couple years ago when appollo
>>>> 
>>>> sponsored
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >> an
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >expedition.  I found the fins sucked.  I mean really
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> sucked.  I dive
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>> Jets
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >and only Jets now. Give me 10 pairs of bio-fins 
>>>>> for free,
>>>> 
>>>> and
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >> I'll
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>> still
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >be diving my Jets.
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >Whoever said bio-fins are more efficient probably 
>>>>> didn't
>>>> 
>>>> have
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >> calf
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >muscles, or they sell them.
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >BTW, the best DIR equipment list so far is on the 
>>>>> WKPP
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  > website.
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>> George
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >posted his configuration.
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >ss
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Stefan Bolka wrote:
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>  Ok this is probably gonna get me hurt but...
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>  Has anyone thought about the natures wing, i.e. 
>>>>> scubapro
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> twin jet
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>fins or Apollo bio fin for DIR.  I ask because I 
>>>>> recognize
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >> that
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>many of us (like me) do not have scooters and the 
>>>>> test
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  > numbers
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>showing better efficiency sound encouraging.  Do 
>>>>> these
>>>> 
>>>> work
>>>> 
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >> for
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>frog kicks?  Could they be used for tech. and not 
>>>>> cave or
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >> cavern?
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>  I am asking because I am trying to start making 
>>>>> a "DIR
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >> approved
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>equipment list".  yes I have too much time on my 
>>>>> hands and
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> figured
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>it makes sense to try and help new divers get 
>>>>> into DIR
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>methodologies so I am working on a FAQ.
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>  If anyone has start a FAQ and not finished let 
>>>>> me know,
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  > I'll
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  help finish it.
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>  Thanks for the help,
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>  Stefan.
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>
>>>>>  >>> 
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>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  --
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>  Paul B.
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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