Kevin,

Ive spent five years so far figuring out what i can about dir. I started 
with the hps like Paul, then lp 95, then 104s and finally on a whim i 
started using the 80s to see if maybe , just maybe George was as right 
about this as some of his other stuff.

He is.

For this reason I am selling a bunch of steels and will be diving all 
80's in the future for ocean.

PLease bear in mind I am specifically discussing ocean, at a reasonable 
depth, which i would consider anything above 300fsw.Below that most 
would probably require a larger volume, or too many stages for the 
environment.

I am ccing him with this,just incase he misses it onlist. Its not out of 
context, its right there in black and white.

DIR is a gradual process for some, but im sure we can bring you guys up 
to speed.I am available for lectures, if you could cover travel and 
lodging expenses of course, and we would have to work around my full 
time job schedule, but im sure we could set something up. I generally 
prefer to dive shipwrecks and not furniture, but I will accodomate if 
you have a particular site in mind.

Marv



Kevin Connell wrote:

> Marv, is it DIR because you read something george wrote (out of 
> context)  and you happen to use the same equipment?
> 
> Can you come out here and retrain everyone, maybe offer some lectures 
> on DIR?   We seem to be stroking out big time with steel tanks.
> 
> armchair  diving at its finest.
> 
> At 11:37 PM 2/20/2001 -0500, Marv wrote:
> 
>> THis is not just a Paul thing but since he brougth it up, its the 
>> ideal place for it.
>> 
>> If you are diving in the ocean , what is the ideal tank?
>> 
>> not what tank can you make work or what tank is kind of ok, but what 
>> tank is DIR??
>> 
>> its the   ALUMINUM 80
>> 
>> These tanks are one third the cost of steel whatevers and one fifth 
>> the weight.
>> 
>> They are the ultimate tank in terms of buoyancy, when 
>> manifolded&doubled up with a steel plate for drysuit diving you will 
>> not realize you are wearing tanks, they have more than enuff gas for 
>> most reasonable dives, and they are by definition the dir tank of 
>> choice for the ocean. They are easy to dive with a tls 350, c4 14 
>> size light and a weight belt or if you must a v weight.
>> 
>> check out Georges article on wkpp.org if you doubt what i am telling 
>> you. Its right there in black and white.or read below.
>> 
>> Marv
>> 
>>  From "Equipment Configuration", G. Irvine, wkpp.org
>> 
>> "  For ocean, aluminum 80's are the tank of choice. If more gas is 
>> needed,
>> take an aluminum stage, but don't risk your life being over weighted at
>> the beginning of the dive. The buoyancy characteristics of aluminum,
>> especially when using helium , are such that a weight belt and or
>> canister light will provide the necessary ballast which can be dropped
>> in an emergency, making the rig only reasonably negative when full,
>> neutral when empty, but swimable by dropping the weight. "
>>                  ----George Irvine
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
>> 
>>> I already replaced a bunch of stuff, this is not the beginning of 
>>> switching to a DIR setup.  The DIR tanks cost $900 and weigh a ton. 
>>> I can't stomach it in my pocketbook or knees right now.  Someone 
>>> else said my tanks will work for now.
>>> Kevin Connell wrote:
>>> ~
>>> 
>>>> So what's the problem paul, you only need to replace your tanks and 
>>>> your fins.  you did way better than I did, I had to replace 
>>>> everything.
>>>> Dry gloves are OK as long as the wrist seal is intact.
>>>> Drysuit is fine.  it's compressed.  Actually a nice suit if you ask 
>>>> me.
>>>> You won't need the weights with proper tanks.
>>>> 
>>>> At 11:23 AM 2/20/2001 -0800, Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Chris, I've had the twin jets since before I was exposed to DIR.  
>>>>> I also have a neoprene drysuit, a set of HP doubles, and an atomic 
>>>>> regulator.  Sorry, I just don't have $2k sitting around right now 
>>>>> to change all my gear.  I'm trying to figure out what I can use in 
>>>>> the tech 1 class, and what I need to change.  In the real world 
>>>>> you need to make some compromises.  It's either do the class with 
>>>>> most of the gear I have now, or wait until I have the money to 
>>>>> switch all my gear around, and that could be a while.  So I"m 
>>>>> trying to figure out what will "work", and what I absolutely have 
>>>>> to replace now.  I just priced the jet fins, they are a minor 
>>>>> expense, I'll be getting them shortly.
>>>>> Thanks for your offer to let me borrow your stuff, BTW, but I've 
>>>>> long since learned that you need to train using your own gear, if 
>>>>> the training is to be worth anything.
>>>>> Just for kicks, here is a list of what I'm using, as you can see 
>>>>> I've already blown a lot of money...
>>>>> PST HP 100 doubles with isolator manifold
>>>>> G250/M20 on a necklace, and Atomic on a 7 ft hose.
>>>>> brass spg.
>>>>> 10 W HID
>>>>> Halcyon integrated weights
>>>>> OMS SS backplate
>>>>> Harness (webbing from EE, the other stuff I had laying around)
>>>>> 2 EE backup lights
>>>>> Diving Concepts compressed neoprene drysuit
>>>>> Halcyon 65 lb wing (I have some bondage wings sitting in my garage 
>>>>> in case anyone wants them)
>>>>> Twin jet fins with spring straps (soon to be Jet fins)
>>>>> Halcyon lift bag
>>>>> Halcyon Sausage
>>>>> Dry gloves with ring system (this was a poor choice, but I'm stuck 
>>>>> with it for now).
>>>>> So here is the question really.  I just don't have the bucks to 
>>>>> change the drysuit and the tanks right now, and I'm sure those two 
>>>>> are the worst offenders.  Should I postpone the class until I've 
>>>>> changed those, or should I take the class now?
>>>>> Please advise.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris Elmore wrote:
>>>>> ~
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Paul,
>>>>>>      George was right, "What are we going to do with you?" I've 
>>>>>> been diving
>>>>>> since '68 and a pressure gauge is the only thing that made it 
>>>>>> past the DIR
>>>>>> purge. To clarify: DIR stands for Doing It Right. It doesn't mean 
>>>>>> Doing It
>>>>>> Half-assed Until Later. You keep asking questions, getting good 
>>>>>> answers then
>>>>>> buying crap anyway. Sign up for a GUE course and I'll let you 
>>>>>> borrow all my
>>>>>> stuff for the week. Geez, put the coffee on.
>>>>>> C.
>>>>>> Chris Elmore
>>>>>> PalmettoSoft Technologies Corp.
>>>>>> (803) 233-2001 (work)
>>>>>> (803) 348-3055 (mobile)
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*>
>>>>>> To: <thomas@ha*.ne*>; Steve Schultz 
>>>>>> <se2schul@bl*.ma*.uw*.ca*>;
>>>>>> Stefan Bolka <sbolka@er*.co*>
>>>>>> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; GUE Mailing List <quest@gu*.co*>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 11:59 AM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Fins question
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Because I've been diving for a couple of decades, and happen to 
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>  some equipment that I purchased before I was exposed to DIR.
>>>>>>>  DUH!
>>>>>>>  Thomas Tukker wrote:
>>>>>>>  ~
>>>>>>>  >Hmmm, never seen any of those in Wakulla...
>>>>>>>  >Guess you're in for another purchase.
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  >Why not buy what you see all DIR divers wear in the first 
>>>>>>> place, that
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  >be a money saving strategy if you have a limited budget to 
>>>>>>> work with
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  >TT
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  >>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>  >>  From: Paul Braunbehrens [mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co*]
>>>>>>>  >>  Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 2:07 AM
>>>>>>>  >>  To: Steve Schultz; Stefan Bolka
>>>>>>>  >>  Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; GUE Mailing List
>>>>>>>  >>  Subject: Re: Fins question
>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>  >>  Steve, that's not my experience.  I was also wondering if 
>>>>>>> the twin
>>>>>>>  >>  jets are DIR, 'cause when I got a dry suit and had to get 
>>>>>>> larger fins
>>>>>>>  >>  I did get the twin jets.  As far as how well they work, 
>>>>>>> they work
>>>>>>>  >>  very well.  No cramps, and you will move faster.  They 
>>>>>>> don't "feel"
>>>>>>>  >>  like you're doing much work, i.e. there isn't much 
>>>>>>> resistance to work
>>>>>>>  >>  against, but if you compare against known variables you'll 
>>>>>>> see that
>>>>>>>  >>  your speed under water has improved.
>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>  >>  I sure hope they're ok, 'cause I'm already going to blow a 
>>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  > >>  money on other stuff including the tech1 class, and don't 
>>>>>> want to
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  >>  have to buy fins as well.
>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>  >>  Cheers.
>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>  >>  Steve Schultz wrote:
>>>>>>>  >>  ~
>>>>>>>  >>  >Stefan,
>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>>>  >>  >Data can be manipulated statistically to serve whoever is 
>>>>>>> publishing
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  >>  >info.
>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>>>  >>  >When you read info about fin efficiency, see who is 
>>>>>>> publishing the
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> data,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  >>  >and ask yourself if they have something to gain.
>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>>>  >>  >More importantly, try it yourself in the water.
>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>>>  >>  >I tried the bio-fin a couple years ago when appollo 
>>>>>>> sponsored an
>>>>>>>  >>  >expedition.  I found the fins sucked.  I mean really 
>>>>>>> sucked.  I dive
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jets
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  >>  >and only Jets now. Give me 10 pairs of bio-fins for free, 
>>>>>>> and I'll
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  >>  >be diving my Jets.
>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>>>  >>  >Whoever said bio-fins are more efficient probably didn't 
>>>>>>> have calf
>>>>>>>  >>  >muscles, or they sell them.
>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>>>  >>  >BTW, the best DIR equipment list so far is on the WKPP 
>>>>>>> website.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> George
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  >>  >posted his configuration.
>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>>>  >>  >ss
>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>>>  >>  >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Stefan Bolka wrote:
>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>>>  >>  >>  Ok this is probably gonna get me hurt but...
>>>>>>>  >>  >>
>>>>>>>  >>  >>  Has anyone thought about the natures wing, i.e. 
>>>>>>> scubapro twin jet
>>>>>>>  >>  >>fins or Apollo bio fin for DIR.  I ask because I 
>>>>>>> recognize that
>>>>>>>  >>  >>many of us (like me) do not have scooters and the test 
>>>>>>> numbers
>>>>>>>  >>  >>showing better efficiency sound encouraging.  Do these 
>>>>>>> work for
>>>>>>>  >>  >>frog kicks?  Could they be used for tech. and not cave or 
>>>>>>> cavern?
>>>>>>>  >>  >>
>>>>>>>  >>  >>  I am asking because I am trying to start making a "DIR 
>>>>>>> approved
>>>>>>>  >>  >>equipment list".  yes I have too much time on my hands 
>>>>>>> and figured
>>>>>>>  >>  >>it makes sense to try and help new divers get into DIR
>>>>>>>  >>  >>methodologies so I am working on a FAQ.
>>>>>>>  >>  >>
>>>>>>>  >>  >>  If anyone has start a FAQ and not finished let me know, 
>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>  >>  help finish it.
>>>>>>>  >>  >>
>>>>>>>  >>  >>  Thanks for the help,
>>>>>>>  >>  >>  Stefan.
>>>>>>>  >>  >>
>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>>>>>>  >>
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>>>>>>>  >>  --
>>>>>>>  >>  Paul B.
>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>  >>
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