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From: "Chris Werner" <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*>
To: <rebreather@nw*.co*>, <billy@v3*.co*.au*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Halcyon
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:22:28 -0500
Billy, I can assure you that your observations are completely correct.  Not
one thing about that entire dive was DIR.  DIR involves much more than gear
or configuration.  Something that some many on here seem to find hard to
believe.  The only people that use DIR and don't convolute it are senior
WKPP divers.  That is it.  There are plenty of imitations and people with
bogus claims, don't believe it.  None of them dive DIR.

Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: <billy@v3*.co*.au*>
To: <rebreather@nw*.co*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: Halcyon


> At 08:03  17/02/01 , michael.langborg@ma*.te*.dk* wrote:
>
> >I was merely alluding to the fact that what G3 did was at best coming up
with second hand information that turned out to be wrong, at worst he
deliberately tried to distance himself to the unfortunately guy, maybe
because he was diving DIR as well?
>
> George was 100% right in that the dive plan and the dive
> preparation and the dive equipment were all bullshit -
> three OC divers at 105 metres with independent doubles?
> two with deco gas strapped to the back as well? None of
> them with adequate gas at their TAP?
>
> The guy with the breather appeared to have a problem
> with it, breathed down his cylinders open circuit, and
> failed to abort like he was (supposedly)trained to by
> IANTD. And in staying on the dive, he turned the bail-out
> plan into a poison pill. And it almost got two of them.
>
> Tell me Michael, since you're an expert here, what part of
> this is DIR? The misplanning? The mismanagement of the
> dive? The faulty bail-out plan? The ignoring of his IANTD
> rebreather training? The bad equipment selection? The
> shocking equipment rigging? The helmet lights? The wetsuit?
> The deco gas on the back? The double bladder BCs? The 35
> metre separation of the team? Hello Mike? Are you keeping up
> here?
>
> Mike, this is as far from DIR as you can get. No self-
> respecting DIR diver would have been in the water with these
> guys that day. Rule No.1. Christ! Independent doubles to
> 105 metres!
>
> George was 100% right too in that the rebreather diver was NOT
> WKPP trained. And he was right in that Dennis planned to return
> to Florida for training. In fact, the only place you may be able to
> legitimately call him is where he referred to the deceased
> buying the rebreather second hand instead of new. Which doesn't
> exactly change anything.
>
> >You don't seems to be closely affiliated with WKPP, and as
> >such I can understand you at first will think George is a diving God,
scores have done before you....but if you are as smart as you claim, you
will see through it all in time.
>
> Mike, if you're as bright as you would like others to believe,
> you would read the report of the accident and see immediately
> the same heavy hand of misplanning, mismanagement, and leave-it-
> to-chance diving, the same macho bullshit and ignoring-of-the
> rules-by-supposedly-competent-instructors, the same taking-the-
> divers-beyond-their-capabilities, that killed a bunch of TDI
> technical instructors (and I use the term losely) and a bunch
> of IANTD students, a couple of years ago.
>
> And the sorriest part of this tragedy is that all you guys can
> do is take a classic, blueprint TDI/IANTD SA clusterfuck and,
> via the Big Lie theory, blame it on DIR. With Tom prodding along
> slyly in the background. (Not in YOUR briar patch, eh Tom?)
>
> Now, while you're in your 'calling bullshit' mood, Mike, what
> about Tom's devious bullshit about George's 'fall' and Scott's
> reaction - as refuted by Scott himself.
>
> What's your take on that one Mickey? You seem to be pretty
> swift with the bullshit flag. How come you let Tom drop that
> big steamer on the rebreather list carpet without comment?
>
> rgrds billyw
>
>
>

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