Right, swiss and french divers use an external catheter connected to a dump valve, so there are no more problems with full bags, or hose popping of the bag etc. The main problem is not the connection to the suit's dumpvalve but the connection to your dump valve :-). Autoadhesive medical external catheters for incontinent patients work quite well. For use with non autoadhesive catheters, double sided tape works quite well, but all this is no insurance against the catheter ripping of. Holding it, and not letting it just go is necessary. If there is enough interrest, I shall post an ASCII drawing of the dumpvalve and it's connection. Michael Walz walz@la*.ep*.ch*
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