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Yea, what you said. Also, scuba pro's are more expensive, generally more finicky (although this is usually due to overzealous techs trying to make them "breath good"), and very hard for end users to get parts. At 05:47 PM 1/26/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Ok here we go again all of this is in the archives and I understand that if >you are new to the list that you might not know about it, but any one who >hangs around here will tell you the two best regs are Scuba Pros and and >Apex (Zeagle). > >I have experience with them all in many aspects 1) Shop Owner 2) Commercial >Diving Company Owner 3) Instructor 4) guide > >My opinion, the apex in my opinion is a better cold water reg than the scuba >pro, simply because of the fact that the first stage is sealed, I (only my >experience with local divers in Sault Ste. Marie Ontario, Whitefish Point >and northern ontario) have seen many scuba pro first stages fail. The second >stages are superb. A very popular cold water combo is the poseidon first >stage with the scuba pro G250 second stage again look in the archives. Now >here is the catch you have to really evaluate your cold water diving, how >much are you doing, if most of your diving is above 10 celcius go with the >scubapro mk20 and g250 it will outdeliver any diaphram reg on any day, I >believe at dema last year they had 100?? people breathing off of one first >stage with still tons of air delivery capability left over. > >For open circuit scuba diving I own three poseidons, two scuba pros and two >apex (zeagle) my preferences lie with the zeagle DS4 non swivel first stage >for cold water and Scuba pro mk20 G250 for warmer water. > >Now the poseidons are good regs but not appropriate for some aspects of >techdiving (look in the archives with reference to removing the diaphram) , >people either like them or hate them I will say this, they are finiky, >expensive to repair and the second stage needs to tuned weekly. Did I >mention expensive. > >The second stages (G250 and tx40, tx20) are all good, I would say though >that if cold water is what your diving stay away from the adjustable second >stage, you start screwing with that under water and your asking for trouble >with the apex (the G250 has it too but it is a very good reg and worth the >purchase.) > >Now if you go with the mk 20 G250 for cold water make sure they give you the >right piston. Scuba pro has two or three pistons and one is specifically for >cold water to prevent the buildup of ice in the first stage. The one you >want is stainless and not brass, also there is a teflon sleave on the piston >which is also supposed to help with de icing the piston. > >Any way if I am off the mark I am sure I will get flamed but hey I dive >almost every day and know what works and what does not work for my >situations. The guys in florida are kicking some ass and they swear by the >scuba pros, I even hear some people up around here (northern michigan) swear >by them. But like I said evaluate your diving and get the right tool to do >the right job and dont let people push you into something your going to end >up regretting getting. > >If I were to go out and buy new regs right now for ice diving I would get >the apex DS4 non swivel and the TX40 second stage. That is for all cold >water diving, now if 10% of my dives are cold water and I can only afford >one pair of regs the choice is easy MK20 G250 scubapro. > >Richard Hayward >HD Diving Systems and Services > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "max" <max@xd*.co*> >To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 6:28 AM >Subject: Re: Apeks, the Canadian experience? > > > > Hi Paul, I can vouch for the Canadian Experience, we have tried most of > > the decent Tech Regs on the market. Scubapro, Poseidon, Scubapro, > > Oceanic, Apex. I have tried Scubapro twice. Scubapro and Apex are very > > similar but Scubapro fail on one large account they are to commercial > > and they are always coming out with a new Reg at the same time quality > > is falling. I also live in new Ottawa (Kanata). I have converted over > > every Reg i own that is 8 and growing here is my config: > > Mains DS4s with TX50s I like the dial a breath you could also go with > > the TX40 if you want to keep it real simple. Than for stage tanks i use > > DST first stages with TX20 2nd stages. The swivel is excellent for > > routing on stage bottles. I also have a few US1s and UDTs for stages and > > Argon bottles. Always get the Enviro kit but if you can find a deal they > > can be put on later cheaply. We have compared the Apeks too the > > Oceanic and Scubapro in the ICE where the others would eventually free > > flowe the Apeks held strong. Needless to say i am converted and have > > become shameless. Apeks is the best by far. I deal with Dan Humble of > > Dive Tech in MalloryTown. It sounds like he is in Bum fuck nowhere, but > > he is 10 Min from the St. Lawrence R. and has the most stocked dive > > shop in Canada for Tech gear. Good Prices but the most important he is > > an excellent Tech especially with Apeks. Every other shop in Ottawa is a > > Stroke Shop. It is worth the drive. Beside i keep my boat about 10 Min > > away in Rockport FYI Dan's # is 613-923-5101 he is away at DEMA this > > week checking out some new tools like 300 Bar single valves, Electric > > Helium pumps, DUI dry suits, and Pressed Steel tanks, AKA my shopping > > list > > > > Max > > Ottawa Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul Osmond wrote: > > > > > I am planning on investing in two new regulators > > > and based on info from this list, the archives and > > > other sources it seems that Apeks is the product > > > of choice. Suposedly it provides high reliability, > > > simplistic design, ease of servicing, standardized > > > components, high performance and all at an economical > > > price. > > > > > > Unfortunately I live near Ottawa (Canada) and only > > > have a few local dives local dives shops to consult, all > > > my other sources are US based. At the moment the Apeks > > > DS4/TX40 combo seems to be a very good choice for Canadian > > > conditions. > > > > > > Ultimately I want to find out if the Canadian experience > > > with Apeks is as good as the US one? Things like > > > cost of servicing, availability of parts, honouring warrenty, > > > should I buy through a dive shop or go mail order, etc? > > > > > > I doubt that Canadian experience isn't as good > > > as the US's, but if anybody has had any problems could > > > you let me know as well as any alternatives that may be > > > considered. I already know that the tech-list highly respects > > > ScubaPro regs, but is there anything wlse that is deemed as a > > > good buy from a Canadian perspective. > > > > > > Thanx muchly, > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > -- > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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