Thanks George, great post.  Helps set the goals for us all.  I am hoping to
complete the GUE cave training next week, with Tyler,  so I can begin to
assist at the WKPP.   You guys really have it together.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	George Irvine [mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*]
> Sent:	Saturday, December 23, 2000 9:22 AM
> To:	Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
> Subject:	Subject: Q for George
> 
>   John, re your questions 1-8 on WKPP below.
> 
>  #1,3,4 and 6 : The WKPP rule is "anyone can do any dive that any two
> other
> WKPP divers will do with that person". I receive a list of possible divers
> from Casey McKinlay ( Project Coordinator) that is screened by the team
> members and signed off on to him. I make a plan based on the talent
> available to me, and I make up the teams so as to maximize the chances of
> success with a team leader. Sometimes this means I have a guy like Trout
> or
> Landon doing an easy dive to balance out teams, and then sometimes I have
> some all hard core teams if I know it will be extremely difficult.
> 
>   #2 McKinlay designates a surface manager from one or more of about six
> people who do this job very well. Dawn, Heather, Dave Sweetin, Elmore, are
> among those who do it regularly. We operate in shifts as well , switching
> duties.
> 
>   #5 Scott Landon oversees the training of suitable divers. I work with
> the
> main divers, they pass this on via Landon's system of having them dive
> with
> each other and with a "mentor" from the experienced guys. For instance, I
> will dive with a combination of some of the gas divers, they will dive
> with
> other combinations and so forth until we are all on the same page. At that
> point they get signed off on to move to more difficult dives. We record
> the
> logs and the sign off sheets for all levels of divers. Werner and Landon
> keep track of that. Dives have to be with a variety of team members so
> that
> we do not get a guy like Ted Cole who can compensate diving with one newer
> guy repeatedly who then falsely feels like he is qualified. I generally
> exclude instructors as "counting" in the logs. Similarly, in situations
> like
> with Pina where she has done more than 50 dives with me this year , only
> some of them "count" towards qualifying for other WKPP dives.
> 
>    #7 Anyone can call a dive at any time, but the team leader generally
> decides whether a  dive is possible. If we have somebody fall out of a
> team
> for any reason, we generally have standby divers to fill in or we modify
> the
> plan on the fly. We have multiple sets of identical scooters, lights,
> tanks,
> rebreathers, gas etc so equipment problems are never an issue. Due to the
> way I set these dives up, we can usually pull them off so long and Jarrod
> and I can get in the water, and if one team drops their payload and
> aborts,
> the others compensate on the fly. We also have no problem surfacing and
> restarting dives.
> 
>    #8 I make the ultimate decision on how far to "push" people, and my
> thinking here is to hold them back until I feel they have had a chance to
> 1)
> fully understand the risk they are taking, and 2) be prepared to deal with
> the absolute worst. Both require time and both require working up to it
> slowly in order to be certain.
> 
>    We now have some seriously skilled , talented, and experienced divers
> in
> the WKPP, and we have worked together for a long time . Looking back, I
> remember when some of these guys took cave class from JJ, and I remember
> when some of them first came to me with their stroke gear and bullshit
> training. We have guys who have been cave diving 25 years and some who
> just
> started. We even have guys from other countries who now come here and dive
> right in with the team. I also remember all the guys who got killed and I
> do
> not forget why that is not happening now, no matter how much criticism I
> get
> for my way of doing things.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Purcell [mailto:omegasac@ei*.ne*]
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 4:33 PM
> To: >
> Subject: Q for George
> 
> 
> George, questions re WKPP,
> 1.Who ultimately decides who dives with the WKPP.
> 2.Is there someone responsible for surface management
> 3.Who allocates/decides buddies
> 4.Who determines dive plan.
> 5.Who helps/trains suitable divers
> 6.Do the more experienced divers accompany lesser divers on new dives.
> 7.Who can call a dive for everyone before it happens.
> 8.Does anyone determine how far lesser divers are to progress to while
> being
> helped/trained by more ecperienced divers.
> Thx
> Jack
> "Desperate Dan Daly Can Kiss My A**"
> 
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