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Billy, | Hold on Adriana. The dead guy's intro to cave instructor is Afonso Pinheiro Jr. | right? The same IANTD bright spark who wrote about DEEP AIR DIVING.... No, it was Gilberto Menezes, also a Brazilian cave diving (but not an instructor of any kind), describing what he USED to do back in 1995~96. You had read it all (and the name of the author), it describes how he almost died on a subsequent dive. That scared me more about deep air diving than anything to the date (for those of you interested, you can find this article on the IANTD page). Now, he dives on caves to the 250m range on helium. Besides, he keeps his dives in secrecy to most of the divers, as he doesn't want to promote it, because he thinks it is too dangerous. Figures... I did my intro to cave, with Gustavo as my buddy, and technical courses with Afonso and he pointed, very bluntly, to all of us how stupid and suicidal is diving deep on air, specially in caves. He told us the story of one of his best friends that DIED on a cave, while doing a solo exploration dive on air to 45m. You live in Australia, a very nice country, but half-way around the world from Brasil. Who do you think you are to judge and condemn people that you had NEVER meet, know or talked to? A psychic, a fortune teller? Had you ever take one of Afonso's courses so you can say with conviction that yes, he promotes deep air diving to his students? It's pretty naive of you to think that you can possibly know what's happening here. By bringing posts like this to the list, you reveal yourself as NOT interest to initiate a discussion about the accident, but to begin with the usual finger-pointing, "who's to blame" witch hunt. Unfortunately, I had lost one of my best friends, but he were conscious about the risks of what he was doing and, most important, knew how to avoid them. People are free to do as they like, it's called "free will", if you never heard of it. One is responsible to their own lives, and free to do what they want. If you don't like it's price, than too bad. I hope this subject is over, as it doesn't help anyone, and saddens Gustavo's many friends. All the lessons from this incident are already learned. Best regards, Fabricio | -----Mensagem original----- | De: billy@v3*.co*.au* [mailto:billy@v3*.co*.au*] | Enviada em: Terça-feira, 21 de Novembro de 2000 23:16 | Para: Tech List | Assunto: Re: En: Fatality in Brazil | | | At 02:31 22/11/00 , Art Connection wrote: | | >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- | >Von: Art Connection | [<mailto:artconnection@at*.ne*>mailto:artconnection@attglobal.net] | >Gesendet: Montag, 20. November 2000 14:10 | >An: Michael Waldbrenner | >Betreff: Re: Fatality in Brazil | > | > Michael, | > I can assure you that the guy's instructor do not agree | with his dive profile, that's why it made me so upset when I read | e-mails calling him a murder! People should get information | before judging people they do not even know. | | Hold on Adriana. The dead guy's intro to cave instructor is | Afonso Pinheiro | Jnr right? The same IANTD bright spark who wrote about DEEP AIR DIVING.... | | > "My equipment consisted of double Genesis 120 on a Dive Rite back plate | > with Superwings. The primary light was a mini Neutralite waist | mounted with | > the MR-16 head helmet mounted. On the helmet, I also wore 4 | back up lights. | > I wore two of the old model Aladin Pro dive computer on the | left forearm | > along with the knife and the Uwatec digital depth gauge on the right | > forearm. I carried also, clipped to my left side an OMS 121 tank filled | > with air. Regulators were all Poseidon Odins. Resting at the | surface, I try | > to visualize my dive, a technique I tried to learn reading | materials by Tom | > Mount. Breathing from the stage tank, I descended, not to | quickly as I felt | > that this helped fight narcosis" | > | > "During deco, Zé Roberto ran low on air (he was diving a | single 18 liter | > bottle). I shared my long hose. I was saving my safety diver!" | > | > "The dive had gone so smooth and I felt so well that I wrote | in the slate | > with big letters: 121 METERS (400 ft) - IT WAS SO EASY!" | > | | Then when challenged on the list for this deep air garbage, the best the | dumb shit could manage in reply was... | | > "you don't have balls to do these dives." | | and | | > "Did you dive below 600' in a real exploration ??? off course not, you | > don't have balls to this !!!" | | As for the latest deep air cave death, Blind Freddy could | seed the cause-and-effect at work here. | | An instructor with this attitude is like a hooker with | clap. The customers not only get fucked, they get infected. | | | rgrds billyw | | | | >And this kind of behavior goes against the evolution of | cave/tech diving, people should be at least, as you said, polite | to discuss facts that are important for all divers. | > The guy was a certified full cave diver and trimix diver | and he had all knowledge he needed. He choosed to take the risk. | And the dude has no experience in cave diving and said in an | e-mail that he, actually, does not know any cave diving instructor!!! | > I'm living in Brasil. | > Adriana | -- | Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. | Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. | -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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