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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:44:12 -0500
From: max <max@xd*.co*>
To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
CC: Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Diving the Edmond
It may be still to early to dive the big Fitz. This wreck evokes to many living
memories. Most of the wrecks we dive the victim's families and the then
governments are long also dead. Just look at the Empress of Ireland in our
Canadian Waters the 2nd largest loss of life next to the Titanic. Divers tore
her all to hell before the Government finally stepped in but than only to
protect the economy of the local charter businesses. Where were the families of
the 1200 souls who bit the big one on that disaster.

I will look into permits but give it 50 yrs and our kids will have carte blanche
to rip and pillage this wreck and no one will give a shit. Oh but then it will
be a heritage site........

With that in mind the Empress may be a great wreck to practice on for the big
Fitz dive since it to is a cold water dive. No where near the Fitz's depth but
you will find 170 FT of 0 degree water. If you could not handle 2 + Hrs on that
wreck i sure as hell would not attempt to dive the Fitz. It will be an ice dive
past 200. 2 Hrs in 0 degrees sounds simple but when you add depth to cold and
equipment its going to be an extreme exposure.

Max out




Jim Cobb wrote:

> I agree with Black. I also think that any car wrecks where people died
> should be left where they are and no one allowed within 100 yards. After all
> the car wreck is now a memorial to the dead. Also plane wrecks, their
> smoking holes should be cordoned off for eternity. Also flood sites, people
> die in floods, too. Don't forget house fires, plenty of people die in house
> fires and they should be eternally left as is.
>
> Oh, yeah at construction sites, when a worker dies you should stop work and
> leave everything in place, out of respect for the dead. And earthquakes, I
> think that they should have vacated San Francisco after all those people
> died there. Where's the respect? And the USS Cole, I can't believe that they
> are bringing it back, she should have been left were she lay, in that
> stinking, raghead-filled turd world shithole, and built a concrete memorial
> on it to commemorate the sailors killed.
>
> Look, asshole, shit happens, people die. I don't see why shipwrecks deserve
> some sort of mystical special status. When you are dead you leave your body
> behind and go on to better things. The body in water decomposes and gets
> carried off by crabs, fish and microbiological life. There is nothing left
> to morn. You bleeding-heart assholes need to get a grip.
>
>    Jim
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> > From: "Michael J. Black" <mjblackmd@ya*.co*>
> > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:29:17 -0800 (PST)
> > To: Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Subject: Re:  Diving the Edmound
> >
> > There was a recent article in the NY Times about diving the Edmund
> > Fitzgerald, which sits in Ontario, right at the US/Canada boundary.
> > Ontario legislation would make it off limits to divers, and that is
> > the families wishes too.  Counterpoint:  Then other wrecks with
> > fatalities should be off limits too.  I suspect diving on the Fitz
> > will be by government permit only, for some time.  MJB
> >
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