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From: "Scott" <scottk@hc*.co*>
To: "Duane Liptak Jr" <d.liptak.jr@wo*.at*.ne*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: oxygen cleaning
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:24:14 -0700
A little Simple Green, hot water, and common sense.

Scott


----- Original Message -----
From: Duane Liptak Jr <d.liptak.jr@wo*.at*.ne*>
To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:33 PM
Subject: oxygen cleaning


> Can someone out there give me the straight scoop on O2 cleaning?  Every
gear
> manufacturer and agency seems to have different regulations and standards
> ranging from cautious to downright paranoid, and I'm getting frustrated as
> hell trying to sort it all out.
>
> My specific areas of concern are:
>
> 1.  What exactly needs to be done to a regulator to make it safe for
> mixtures of 40% to 100%?  (Beyond the tear it down and clean everything
with
> simple green, trichloroethane, or other solvent part.)
>
>      a.  Does every O-ring need to be viton, just high pressure side, or
are
> nitrile/butyl o-rings acceptable?  I know that many aviation applications
> use nitrile, but viton seems to be mandated for scuba uses.  What's the
> deal?
>
>     b.  What needs to be done with hoses, especially HP?  ( clean them,
use
> new hoses rated for O2 service, etc.)
>
>     c.  SPG's: Should they be cleaned, and how?  Do the spool O-rings need
> to be changed?
>
>     d.  Second stages: Do the O-ring, diaphragm, and seat materials matter
> at the lower pressures that this system is exposed to?  How about lube?
>
>     e.  Are Sherwood regs (with the rubber dry air bleed valve) acceptable
> for use with high FO2's?  (academic question--I use Zeagles)
>
> 2.  Tank valves:  Do quick opening valves, like some Genesis K's with
coarse
> threads on the seat, pose a danger with high FO2's?
>
> Any help from those with more experience in this are would be greatly
> appreciated.  I have used and been around HP O2 in welding and cutting
> industrial applications for years, and despite some abhorrent conditions
of
> uncleanliness and regulator (welding type) abuse that I have been
> unfortunate enough to witness, I have not seen or heard of any documented
> accidents besides the " My brother's wife's friend's brother knew a guy
who
> heard of somebody...." type.  It makes me wonder how much of this is
> actually necessary and how much is scare tactics to get divers to buy
viton
> everything.
>     Don't get me wrong, I've been pretty cautious up to now with the mixes
> under 40% that I have used, but I'm just curious as to how much of this is
> necessary, and how the folks out there who have the experience are doing
> things.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Duane
>
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