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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 08:51:40 -0400
Subject: Re: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: Bob Sherwood <sherwood@st*.rr*.co*>, <dwiden@ho*.co*>
CC: "'Paul Braunbehrens'" <Bakalite@ba*.co*>,
     "'Mcinnis, Don'" , ,
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     "Capt JT Barker Jr. (E-mail)"
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What makes you think that all instructors adhere to agency guidelines? I am
very glad that many don't, esp. those affiliated with TDI and IANDT.

I have a feeling that even if an agency has requirements for deep air and
other silly bullshit, the smart instructor will ignore it and do it right.
Less lawsuits that way.

  Jim
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From: "Bob Sherwood" <sherwood@st*.rr*.co*>
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 08:15:09 -0400
To: <cobber@ci*.co*>, <dwiden@ho*.co*>
Cc: <cobber@ci*.co*>, "'Paul Braunbehrens'" <Bakalite@ba*.co*>,
"'Mcinnis, Don'" <Don.Mcinnis@in*.co*>, <RDecker388@ao*.co*>,
<scottk@hc*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, "Capt JT Barker Jr. (E-mail)"
<captjt@mi*.co*>
Subject: Re: clarification  was:  An the beat goes on and on


 
Jim,
 I don't know of any agency that allows beginning students to be in 90+ feet
of water.  Sounds like they aren't getting the proper training to start
with.

Like I wrote in my post I do not discount proper training.  Around here
beginning divers regularly do their training dives in 90+ ft of cold, murky
water, a prime environment for narcosis induced clusterfucks.
On any given weekend you can see these new divers doing panic-stricken free
ascents popping up like mushrooms all around the dive boat.

 Agreed.  A perfect reason that new divers shouldn't be that deep. Over 50%
of bent/embolised divers are diving with-in the table limits proving(to me
anyway) that they don't have the skills to control buoyancy .   Dive safe.
bob 




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What makes you think that all instructors adhere to agency guidelines? I am=
 very glad that many don't, esp. those affiliated with TDI and IANDT.<BR>
<BR>
I have a feeling that even if an agency has requirements for deep air and o=
ther silly bullshit, the smart instructor will ignore it and do it right. Le=
ss lawsuits that way.<BR>
<BR>
   Jim<BR>
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<B>From: </B>"Bob Sherwood" <sherwood@st*.rr*.co*><BR>
<B>Date: </B>Sun, 8 Oct 2000 08:15:09 -0400<BR>
<B>To: </B><cobber@ci*.co*>, <dwiden@ho*.co*><BR>
<B>Cc: </B><cobber@ci*.co*>, "'Paul Braunbehrens'" =
<Bakalite@ba*.co*>, "'Mcinnis, Don'" <Don.Mcinnis@in*=
foUSA.com>, <RDecker388@ao*.co*>, <scottk@hc*.co*>, <tech=
diver@aq*.co*>, "Capt JT Barker Jr. (E-mail)" <captjt@m=
indspring.com><BR>
<B>Subject: </B>Re: clarification  was:  An the beat goes on
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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><B>Jim,<BR>
  I don't know of any agency that allows beginning students to be in 9=
0+ feet of water.  Sounds like they aren't getting the proper training =
to start with.<BR>
</B></FONT></FONT><BR>
Like I wrote in my post I do not discount proper training.  Around her=
e beginning divers regularly do their training dives in 90+ ft of cold, murk=
y water, a prime environment for narcosis induced clusterfucks. <BR>
On any given weekend you can see these new divers doing panic-stricken free=
 ascents popping up like mushrooms all around the dive boat.<BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
  <B>Agreed.  A perfect reason that new divers shouldn't be that =
deep. Over 50% of bent/embolised divers are diving with-in the table limits =
proving(to me anyway) that they don't have the skills to control buoyancy . =
  Dive safe.  bob <BR>
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