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Jim

You do not represent the typical diver. You do the research and reading
before you jump in. Many of these people will just jump in. The reason for
training is to ensure that at least some level of understanding and
knowledge is in place. You are opening a door for people to use something
they may not have the knowledge to use and get hurt.

You know some of the same people I do. Would you want to turn some of those
folk loose on trimix without them getting some guidance? So where is the
line between the between those with enough good sense to doit with out
training and those that need the training to get them on the right road and
doing thing right.

Trimix diving is technical diving. There is more to technical diving them
just having the equipment, some O2, and in this case HE.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:55 PM
To: Paul Braunbehrens
Cc: Mcinnis, Don; 'RDecker388@ao*.co*'; scottk@hc*.co*;
techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on


While I am not discounting the need for proper training, you don't need
squat for certification to dive with trimix. I have yet to see a industrial
gas supplier ask for a c-card for tanks of 02 and He. And as far as the the
air tops are concerned it's pretty much a "don't ask, don't tell" policy at
the dive shops I've visited. If your diveshop is an asshole about this, then
it's time to move on.

Personally I believe that if you are proficient at mixing nitrox and are
currently mixing it on a regular basis, there is no reason one earth why you
can't shitcan your nitrox wrist computer, get DecoPlanner for your laptop
and go trimix diving. It ain't rocket science, folks.

Jim

On Wednesday, October 4, 2000, at 11:41 AM, Paul Braunbehrens wrote:

No kidding! I'm doing it right now, adv. nitrox, stage deco and
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<?/color>trimix just because I want to use He. It's actually ironic that you
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class=3D644163610-06102000>You=20
know some of the same people I do. Would you want to turn some of those =
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loose on trimix without them getting some guidance? So where is the line =
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the between those with enough good sense to doit with out training and =
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that need the training to get them on the right road and doing =
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class=3D644163610-06102000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D644163610-06102000>Trimix=20
diving is technical diving. There is more to technical diving them just =
having=20
the equipment, some O2, and in this case HE.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D644163610-06102000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D644163610-06102000>David</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
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  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Jim Cobb=20
  [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 04, =
2000=20
  3:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Paul Braunbehrens<BR><B>Cc:</B>
Mcinnis, Don;=20
  'RDecker388@ao*.co*'; scottk@hc*.co*;=20
  techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: clarification was: An =
the beat=20
  goes on and on<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>While I am not discounting the
need =
for=20
  proper training, you don't need squat for certification to dive with =
trimix. I=20
  have yet to see a industrial gas supplier ask for a c-card for tanks =
of 02 and=20
  He. And as far as the the air tops are concerned it's pretty much a =
"don't=20
  ask, don't tell" policy at the dive shops I've visited. If your =
diveshop is an=20
  asshole about this, then it's time to move on.<BR><BR>Personally I =
believe=20
  that if you are proficient at mixing nitrox and are currently mixing =
it on a=20
  regular basis, there is no reason one earth why you can't shitcan your =
nitrox=20
  wrist computer, get DecoPlanner for your laptop and go trimix diving. =
It ain't=20
  rocket science, folks.<BR><BR>Jim<BR><BR>On Wednesday, October 4,
=
2000, at=20
  11:41 AM, Paul Braunbehrens wrote:<BR><BR><I>No kidding! I'm doing
it =
right=20
  now, adv. nitrox, stage deco and=20
</I><?color><?param
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  I want to use He. It's actually ironic that you </I><?color><?param =
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  class to use trimix. It seems to me they are </I><?color><?param =
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  You won't get a fill without it=20
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  Don wrote:</I><?color><?param =
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  the prerequisite in shingles needed to get into it? Usually needed =
is</I><?color><?param
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advanced=20
  nitrox, decompression techniques, and then the "entry =
level</I><?color><?param =
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  course at least. All this for being able to dive with a clear =
head</I><?color><?param =
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  and 150'. Scott's point all along is there needs to be a =
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people=20
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mention</I><?color><?param =
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  $2000 or more) just to dive HOTx which is by definition =
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  (less logistics) diving.</I><?color><?param =
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</I><?color><?param =
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  Mailing list for digital audio on the=20
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