JT, I have Sherwood parts and the flex hose , T's
and fittings that come from the gas supplier. 80
bucks.  The difference between the "grades" of
helium is the prices and the number of times they
vacuum the bottles. It all comes from the same tank.

The suppliers here will not sell welding for diving
due to the accidents, but if one wanted to open an
account as a welding operation, one could, but I get
it delivered to the house. I'll pay the extra for
the convenience.

I realize this is Brave New World for most of you,
but get serious, it is dead nuts simple.

-----Original Message-----
From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>; dwiden@ho*.co*
<dwiden@ho*.co*>; 'Scott' <scottk@hc*.co*>;
techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: clarification was: An the beat goes on
and on


>Actually your both right and both wrong. No one
here gets He and 02 as
>cheap as I do. Of all the postings I've seen on
prices, no one comes even
>close to my price. Then again I am using Industrial
grade gas ( better
>known as welding gas) I do not offer it to anyone
else as it becomes a
>hassle for me to get and not everyone is
comfortable with it, some think
>they must have medical grade gas. Those that must
purchase He though a dive
>shop, must pay the higher price because they, in
the best interest of the
>customer must use the medical grade gas, which is
much higher in cost. If
>they did not and something happen surely a dive
Lawyer of some kind would
>get involved. Also I saw mentioned of a price for
330cuft of He. There is
>not a cylinder for that amount. A "T" bottle of He
holds 286 cuft at 2,640
>psi and a "K" bottle holds 213 cuft at 2,200 psi.
There is a seldom used
>cylinder called a HC-500 which holds 432 cuft at
4,500 psi , but I have
>been unable to get one.  Those that have been to my
home and seen the rows
>of He and 02 can't believe I keep that much here.
 I also have argon)
>As for the whip, yes you can purchase a piss poor
whip for 80 dollars, that
>has no Gauge and is as short as my dick. I have the
most advance portable
>transfer whip "kit" made, with gauges, hose,
anlayzer, quick disconnects
>that allow me to do everything I need in a
transfer. The 80 dollars won't
>buy the pelican box that carries the stuff.It did
not come from a dive shop.
>Sometime this weekend I will put on my site all the
facts about the 02,He
>T&K bottles and others along with details and
photos, I have often heard
>people ask what the difference was, from this post
you all should know now.
>
>
>At 08:38 AM 9/29/00 -0400, Trey wrote:
>>ALL BULLSHIT - grade of helium means nothing. Here
in SF we have to use USP
>>because of the accidents that Mouth's idiots have
had, but "welding" helium
>>is fine. The parts can be obtained from the gas
supplier, a whip is about 80
>>bucks absolute MAX . You idiots are just used to
the standard dive industry
>>bullshit.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: David B. Widen <dwiden@ho*.co*>
>>To: 'Scott' <scottk@hc*.co*>;
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 7:03 AM
>>Subject: RE: clarification was: An the beat goes
on and on
>>
>>
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > I do not know where in the world you are but
for USP HE I wish we could
>>get
>> > it from the suppliers for .13 ft. You are
probably getting welding grade
>>for
>> > that. Plus you need to add the tank
rental/delivery charges and unusable
>>gas
>> > (can get it all out) cost to the cu ft charge.
The last time I check, a
>>good
>> > HE/O2 Parcial Pressure filler whip with gauges
is $600-$800, O2 analyzer,
>> > ignore the compressor and labor. What are parts
of the business are there
>> > cover.
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Scott [mailto:scottk@hc*.co*]
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 11:13 AM
>> > > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com; Trey
>> > > Subject: Re: clarification was: An the beat
goes on and on
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > The next thing we have to work on is a way to
get the
>> > > agencies to embrace
>> > > hyperoxic trimix, and get it into the hands
of advanced level
>> > > recreational
>> > > divers. I have been turning people on to HOTx
for 6 months,
>> > > but there are
>> > > several problems:
>> > >
>> > > Most people are charging .65 to .75 a foot
for He, which is
>> > > ludicrous, since
>> > > the cost is a round .13 a foot. The typical
reasons are
>> > > "because I have to
>> > > buy a compressor" blah, blah, blah. As a
parallel, one of my
>> > > buds has an
>> > > office supply biz. He has two copiers that
cost more than any
>> > > compressor,
>> > > and he gets a nickel a copy off one, and .25
a copy from the
>> > > other. Others
>> > > sell double fills of trimix for 80 to 120
dollars. We can
>> > > double the money
>> > > on our gas at $16 for singles, and around $28
to $32 for most
>> > > dubs. This rip
>> > > off has to be brought to light as well.
>> > >
>> > > NO ONE should have to take $9,000 worth of
TDI or IANTD
>> > > training to be able
>> > > to use the gas, which, in reality, is *safer*
than air for diving.
>> > > Without a trimix shingle, or a guy like me
who will do a fill
>> > > for people I
>> > > know, they are unable to use the gas anywhere
else, unless
>> > > they blend it in
>> > > their garage, which many are doing.
>> > >
>> > > I took a gent out yesterday to dive on the
gas, and he was
>> > > amazed at how
>> > > much better he felt afterwards. Normally, his
hands really
>> > > hurt after diving
>> > > air (slightly arthritic), but HOTx didn't
have that effect.
>> > >
>> > > I brought this up to the "instructor base"
over on rec.scuba, and they
>> > > howled like a bunch of mashed cats. NAUI and
IANTD totally
>> > > missed the ball
>> > > on this one with their "Normoxic trimix
course", which is
>> > > just another way
>> > > to separate you from your money.
>> > >
>> > > Before anyone starts screaming, lets just
remember the noise made when
>> > > Nitrox was suggested for recreational divers.
Mountains of
>> > > dead divers were
>> > > predicted...
>> > >
>> > > Scott
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
>> > > To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Mike Strong
<divermike@fn*.ne*>
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 1:09 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: clarification was: An the beat
goes on and on
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > If all of us insist that these guys do
things properly ,
>> > > then they will
>> > > find
>> > > > a way to do that.
>> > > >
>> > > > The problem is that when idiots like
Gilliam get into the
>> > > mix, we all
>> > > > suffer. I can't imagine traveling 12,000
miles to dive in a
>> > > great spot and
>> > > > doing it on air.
>> > > >
>> > > > We have the same problem in New Jersey,
where the Seeker
>> > > idiots proudly
>> > > dive
>> > > > air and bullshit gear, like "poney" bottles
of air with air
>> > > in doubles
>> > > >  just to be sure there is no mistake about
how dumb they are) with
>> > > > slobwinders to turn the ponies on. They
serve a clientele
>> > > of strokes.
>> > > >
>> > > > The harder we make it for the idiots to be
idiots, the
>> > > better it will be
>> > > for
>> > > > all of us.
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: Mike Strong <divermike@fn*.ne*>
>> > > > To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>> > > > Cc: <trey@ne*.co*>
>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 3:37 PM
>> > > > Subject: clarification was: An the beat
goes on and on
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > List:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > There has been some confusion about my
views, and what I
>> > > did or did not
>> > > > say
>> > > > > regarding a Truk Lagoon Trip.  Most of
these messages were in the
>> > > private
>> > > > > forum, but I want to say all this in the
open.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I DO NOT support any form of deep air
diving, diving
>> > > below 130' without
>> > > > > Helium, or any diving operation involved
with Brett
>> > > Gilliam, TDI, or any
>> > > > of
>> > > > > his buddies.  The shop I work for is
taking a trip to
>> > > Truk, on the boat
>> > > > > Odyssey.  This vessel, at the encouraging
of Bret
>> > > Gilliam, allows *and*
>> > > > > supports Deep air diving to depths of
200, because
>> > > Gilliam says in the
>> > > > > ocean you are safe to that depth.  I DO
NOT agree.  It is
>> > > very clear
>> > > that
>> > > > > this guy is a moron, and the charter
company is falling
>> > > victim to his
>> > > > > stupidity.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > As for the trip, I have suggested to
several members of
>> > > the trip that
>> > > the
>> > > > > answer is to limit the diving on the trip
to depths of
>> > > 130 or shallower,
>> > > > or
>> > > > > not go at all.  (Helium, which is
available, is *very*
>> > > expensive, so my
>> > > > > thinking is that it makes more sense to
not do the deep
>> > > dives, rather
>> > > than
>> > > > > to pay for the He)  As for the other
suggestions on the
>> > > list regarding
>> > > > > "diving to 140 or 150, mabey the 200 foot
dive...," in
>> > > Truk, I also DO
>> > > NOT
>> > > > > agree with this.  This is the exact thing
we all are
>> > > trying to get away
>> > > > > from, It is not safe, nor is it "OK," to
do these dives
>> > > without the use
>> > > of
>> > > > > Helium.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I am a firm supporter of the DIR idea and
those who have
>> > > put in the time
>> > > > > and effort to make it work--If you want
to do it DIR in
>> > > Truk, you have 3
>> > > > > choices:  Pay for the gas, stay above
130, or refer to
>> > > Rule #1.  Most, I
>> > > > > would think would refer to Rule
#1........
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Finally, I would like to point out that
it is up to us as
>> > > divers to get
>> > > > the
>> > > > > point across to these charters....deep
air is not safe.
>> > > I hope this
>> > > post
>> > > > > has cleared up this mess, and that
everyone knows where I
>> > > stand now.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Best,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Mike Strong
>> > > > >
>> > > >
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