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ALL BULLSHIT - grade of helium means nothing. Here in SF we have to use USP because of the accidents that Mouth's idiots have had, but "welding" helium is fine. The parts can be obtained from the gas supplier, a whip is about 80 bucks absolute MAX . You idiots are just used to the standard dive industry bullshit. ----- Original Message ----- From: David B. Widen <dwiden@ho*.co*> To: 'Scott' <scottk@hc*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 7:03 AM Subject: RE: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on > Scott > > I do not know where in the world you are but for USP HE I wish we could get > it from the suppliers for .13 ft. You are probably getting welding grade for > that. Plus you need to add the tank rental/delivery charges and unusable gas > (can get it all out) cost to the cu ft charge. The last time I check, a good > HE/O2 Parcial Pressure filler whip with gauges is $600-$800, O2 analyzer, > ignore the compressor and labor. What are parts of the business are there > cover. > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott [mailto:scottk@hc*.co*] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 11:13 AM > > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com; Trey > > Subject: Re: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on > > > > > > The next thing we have to work on is a way to get the > > agencies to embrace > > hyperoxic trimix, and get it into the hands of advanced level > > recreational > > divers. I have been turning people on to HOTx for 6 months, > > but there are > > several problems: > > > > Most people are charging .65 to .75 a foot for He, which is > > ludicrous, since > > the cost is a round .13 a foot. The typical reasons are > > "because I have to > > buy a compressor" blah, blah, blah. As a parallel, one of my > > buds has an > > office supply biz. He has two copiers that cost more than any > > compressor, > > and he gets a nickel a copy off one, and .25 a copy from the > > other. Others > > sell double fills of trimix for 80 to 120 dollars. We can > > double the money > > on our gas at $16 for singles, and around $28 to $32 for most > > dubs. This rip > > off has to be brought to light as well. > > > > NO ONE should have to take $9,000 worth of TDI or IANTD > > training to be able > > to use the gas, which, in reality, is *safer* than air for diving. > > Without a trimix shingle, or a guy like me who will do a fill > > for people I > > know, they are unable to use the gas anywhere else, unless > > they blend it in > > their garage, which many are doing. > > > > I took a gent out yesterday to dive on the gas, and he was > > amazed at how > > much better he felt afterwards. Normally, his hands really > > hurt after diving > > air (slightly arthritic), but HOTx didn't have that effect. > > > > I brought this up to the "instructor base" over on rec.scuba, and they > > howled like a bunch of mashed cats. NAUI and IANTD totally > > missed the ball > > on this one with their "Normoxic trimix course", which is > > just another way > > to separate you from your money. > > > > Before anyone starts screaming, lets just remember the noise made when > > Nitrox was suggested for recreational divers. Mountains of > > dead divers were > > predicted... > > > > Scott > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> > > To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Mike Strong <divermike@fn*.ne*> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 1:09 PM > > Subject: Re: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on > > > > > > > If all of us insist that these guys do things properly , > > then they will > > find > > > a way to do that. > > > > > > The problem is that when idiots like Gilliam get into the > > mix, we all > > > suffer. I can't imagine traveling 12,000 miles to dive in a > > great spot and > > > doing it on air. > > > > > > We have the same problem in New Jersey, where the Seeker > > idiots proudly > > dive > > > air and bullshit gear, like "poney" bottles of air with air > > in doubles > > > just to be sure there is no mistake about how dumb they are) with > > > slobwinders to turn the ponies on. They serve a clientele > > of strokes. > > > > > > The harder we make it for the idiots to be idiots, the > > better it will be > > for > > > all of us. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Mike Strong <divermike@fn*.ne*> > > > To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > > Cc: <trey@ne*.co*> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 3:37 PM > > > Subject: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on > > > > > > > > > > List: > > > > > > > > There has been some confusion about my views, and what I > > did or did not > > > say > > > > regarding a Truk Lagoon Trip. Most of these messages were in the > > private > > > > forum, but I want to say all this in the open. > > > > > > > > I DO NOT support any form of deep air diving, diving > > below 130' without > > > > Helium, or any diving operation involved with Brett > > Gilliam, TDI, or any > > > of > > > > his buddies. The shop I work for is taking a trip to > > Truk, on the boat > > > > Odyssey. This vessel, at the encouraging of Bret > > Gilliam, allows *and* > > > > supports Deep air diving to depths of 200, because > > Gilliam says in the > > > > ocean you are safe to that depth. I DO NOT agree. It is > > very clear > > that > > > > this guy is a moron, and the charter company is falling > > victim to his > > > > stupidity. > > > > > > > > As for the trip, I have suggested to several members of > > the trip that > > the > > > > answer is to limit the diving on the trip to depths of > > 130 or shallower, > > > or > > > > not go at all. (Helium, which is available, is *very* > > expensive, so my > > > > thinking is that it makes more sense to not do the deep > > dives, rather > > than > > > > to pay for the He) As for the other suggestions on the > > list regarding > > > > "diving to 140 or 150, mabey the 200 foot dive...," in > > Truk, I also DO > > NOT > > > > agree with this. This is the exact thing we all are > > trying to get away > > > > from, It is not safe, nor is it "OK," to do these dives > > without the use > > of > > > > Helium. > > > > > > > > I am a firm supporter of the DIR idea and those who have > > put in the time > > > > and effort to make it work--If you want to do it DIR in > > Truk, you have 3 > > > > choices: Pay for the gas, stay above 130, or refer to > > Rule #1. Most, I > > > > would think would refer to Rule #1........ > > > > > > > > Finally, I would like to point out that it is up to us as > > divers to get > > > the > > > > point across to these charters....deep air is not safe. > > I hope this > > post > > > > has cleared up this mess, and that everyone knows where I > > stand now. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Mike Strong > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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