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FYI -----Original Message----- From: Scott Stitt [mailto:seatech@id*.co*] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:20 PM To: Don Hoover Subject: Re: FW: And the beat goes on, and on, and on... Please do Don Hoover wrote: > Scott can I publish this on tech diver? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Stitt [mailto:seatech@id*.co*] > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 9:59 PM > To: Don Hoover > Subject: Re: FW: And the beat goes on, and on, and on... > > Don > One of the "Truk Agressor's" crew got bent while I was there. Type I. They > evacuated him the next day by commercial airliner to Guam where apparently > the > navy has a chamber. In an "emergency" they apparently will evac by military > aircraft. > Regards > Scott > > Don Hoover wrote: > > > Mike, > > > > The bullshit is that I have asked for assistance from the beginning, back > in > > May of this year as a matter of fact, to ensure that the proper gas was > > available. It took me pulling out of the trip to get someone off their > > dead ass to really see what kind of assistance we can get to do it the > right > > way. Odyssey has said deep air was ok for all divers from the beginning > and > > I have challenged that from the beginning. As far as not diving if you > are > > using deep air, first its bullshit, second a moron like Gilliam > recommended > > that we do the deep air, and lastly you forget who is paying for the > fucking > > trip! By the way, I was willing to put $4k up front for this trip. And > if > > proper gas and appropriate diving procedures were not enough of and issue, > > not one swing dick has answered the good DR. and my questions regarding > > safety procedures if someone like the inexperience ill trained Teck divers > > get bent. If we are 12 hours from a chamber, what is Odyssey's evac plan? > > We have been asking that question for months. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike Strong [mailto:divermike@fn*.ne*] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 12:27 PM > > To: trey@ne*.co*; Don.Hoover@ds*.co* > > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > Subject: Re: FW: And the beat goes on, and on, and on... > > > > George: > > > > Unfortunatly, you don't have the whole story on this one. Don Hoover, > whom > > I steered to GUE, and set straight on where to get real training, is mad > > because the boat will not go and pick up the helium for him. The helium > is > > available, at 650 or so a bottle. If he will get it shippped over, and > > pick it up, he can use it all he wants. What I told Don was that my > advice > > was to just do the dives above 130 feet. I don't think the dives are > worth > > the price of the gas. He is not missing out on much at all if he does > > that.....Don can do what he wants. This trip will not live or die by what > > he chooses to do. If he bails out, that is fine. (it's not even my trip, > > you see...I don't care about the money, I just thought he might like the > > trip...) > > > > As for me, (remember, you don't know me, George) I by no means claim to > be > > or ever have claimed to be a big time diver. I have from the start been a > > supporter of the WKPP, GUE, and the idea of DIR. I learned to dive from > > one of the best in the business--Jason Weisacosky. There is no better, in > > my opinion. I learned from him how to dive the right way. I don't do the > > long, 300 footers that you all do down there. We don't have that cave up > > here....I do the single, and double stage swim dives, 150 to 230 feet, in > > 50 degrees of water. 50 foot vis is a good day up here, you see. Nothing > > big time about me, I just want to dive in the safest manner possible, with > > only the best divers I can find. That way, I can always learn from the > > best. I dive with guys that know what is what, George. You know who they > > are. I don't think they would have a single bad thing to say about me, or > > my methods. (I doubt you would either, if you knew me..) > > > > I am sorry that this got off in a bad way. I think if everyone involved > > would have been up front with all the information, this would have been > > more simple. As for Don, he can do what ever. We are right now working > > with some Air Force guys to see if we can get a better angle on the > Helium. > > I am very interested to see how that pans out. > > > > As for you, George, I will always be a supporter of what you and the WKPP > > are all about. I just wish that sometimes you would get the whole story > > before letting loose. If you want to see me face to face, I will be at > > DEMA. We can meet there. Otherwise, my phone number is at the bottom of > > this post. I'm here until 6, central time. > > > > best, > > > > Mike Strong > > 316-684-9738 > > > > At 08:14 PM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote: > > >Don, this mike stroke is obviously one severe moron. I'd like to see > > >this asshole face to face so I could tell him personally how fucking > > >stupid I think he is, and then prove it to him. Mike why don't you tell > > >me what a big time diver you are and how I don't know what I am talking > > >about, you idiot. Come on , and do it on techdiver. I am calling you out > > >, asshole. Don, post this moron's stuff to techdiver, and cancel on him. > > >He needs your money for the trip, so fuck him like he is trying to fuck > > >you. How did you get mixed up with this idiot, Don? > > > > > >Don Hoover wrote: > > >> > > >> I think Bret Gilliam is a moron, and you have even said this. Odyssey > is > > >> operating their diving practices under Gilliams' rules of safe > > diving...what > > >> a joke. Enough said..Gilliam is a stroke... and I will not support or > > dive > > >> with this idiot or his associates. > > >> > > >> I have no problem backing out of this trip. I have said all along that > I > > >> was looking for a Technical Dive Trip. With the provider having > available > > >> the proper gas and the right diving attitude. Odyssey is not customer > > >> oriented, does not intend to supply the correct gas, and engages in > > unsafe > > >> diving practices...any operation that supports deep air is not going to > > >> receive my dollar vote. I will go else where thank you very much. > > >> > > >> Sorry, but I have been very up front with my expectations...proper gas, > > >> correct diving methods. Odyssey is a joke along with Gilliam. > > >> > > >> Don > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Mike Strong [mailto:divermike@fn*.ne*] > > >> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 12:08 PM > > >> To: Don Hoover > > >> Subject: Re: FW: And the beat goes on, and on, and on... > > >> > > >> Don, the capitan called us about the Helium. He said the reason why > they > > >> can not provide Helium is that they don't know when the shippment will > > >> arrive. That is, they will have to send a crew member over to the > > airport > > >> and have that person wait there, most likely all day, to pick it up. > > Then, > > >> after getting it to clear all the customs, and pay the *huge* duty, > they > > >> transport back over to the ship. This must be done jon the one day > that > > >> the ship is in port....also the only day the crew has to do repairs, > and > > >> restock the boat. Also, the only day the crew has off, provided they > get > > >> the work done.... > > >> > > >> What you need to understand, Don, is that these guys on the list only > see > > >> what they want. They see nothing else. This whole list started out > > great, > > >> but is jaded, now. Truk offers great diving above 130 feet, jsut as > well > > >> as below. 90% of these dives will be abouve the 130' limit, at least > > >> that's my guess. Some of these guys think that when they say jump, > > >> everyone in the dive business should say "how high, oh great one..." > It > > >> does not work that way. If you wan tthe Helium, and you are going over > > >> early, just set up the delivery, and wait at the airport. It's that > > >> simple. Otherwise, you have 2 chioces: you can bail out, and miss the > > >> trip of a lifetime, or you can go, do the great dives it has to offer. > > If > > >> you want, skip the 200 footers. skip the 150's. Up to you--but i > would > > >> *really* think about your decision first.... > > >> > > >> best, > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > >> At 09:03 PM 9/24/00 -0400, you wrote: > > >> >Mike, > > >> > > > >> >If this is why Odyssey is stone walling on not provide Trimix, then I > > will > > >> >have to back out of the Truck Trip. > > >> > > > >> >This explains allot and I am not willing to spend that kind of money > on > > >> this > > >> >trip with this type of bullshit going on. > > >> > > > >> >Sorry, > > >> > > > >> >Don > > >> > > > >> >-----Original Message----- > > >> >From: john.r.strohm@BI*.co* [mailto:john.r.strohm@BI*.co*] > > >> >Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 12:59 PM > > >> >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > >> >Subject: And the beat goes on, and on, and on... > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >Check out the lower half of page 95 of the October 2000 issue of > > Rodale's > > >> >"SCUBA Diving". > > >> > > > >> >This is "An RSD Dive Expedition", to Truk Lagoon, aboard the > "Odyssey". > > >> >Special features of the trip include "Free training and supervision in > > >> >extended-range diving and decompression techniques (if desired) from > > Bret > > >> >Gilliam, president of Technical Diving International". > > >> > > > >> >Later in the pitch they say they are offering double tanks with > > dual-valve > > >> >isolation manifolds. I guess that's an improvement. When they had > > Mitch > > >> >Skaggs doing it, they were using independent doubles. > > >> > > > >> >Notably absent from the ad is any mention whatsoever of trimix. They > > also > > >> >don't say what deco mixes are available. Previously, they have used > > 80/20. > > >> > > > >> >And, if that wasn't enough, and by golly don't you think it ought to > > be, on > > >> >page 6, in the masthead for the magazine, we find: "Technical Diving > > >> >Editor: Bret Gilliam". > > >> >-- > > >> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > >> >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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