Gary,

It's called Calling Bullshit on Stupidity. There is nothing underwater that
is worth dying for. Doing Deep Air is taking risks that don't need to be
taken. Even the whiners that compare it to mountain climbing don't have a
leg to stand on. Try comparing it to climbing Everest without taking oxygen
with you to breathe. There is a difference between Calculated Risk and
Stupid and Needless Risk. S2.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Hagland [mailto:haglandg@to*.co*]
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 9:33 AM
To: Trey; Mcinnis, Don; john.r.strohm@BI*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: And the beat goes on, and on, and on...


George,
You're sick.


-----Original Message-----
From: Trey [mailto:trey@ne*.co*]
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 11:10 PM
To: Mcinnis, Don; haglandg@to*.co*; john.r.strohm@BI*.co*;
techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: And the beat goes on, and on, and on...


Don, did I slander this dumb fuck or is he a dumb fuck?

Gary, you are an idiot. No way around it. You and the Slob don't like what I
say? Sue me , asshole. You are a lying little moron and have proven it
yourself. Read your own bullshit and then get lost.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mcinnis, Don <Don.Mcinnis@in*.co*>
To: <haglandg@to*.co*>; Trey <trey@ne*.co*>;
<john.r.strohm@BI*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 9:38 AM
Subject: RE: And the beat goes on, and on, and on...


> Gary,
>
> Define "SAFE" below 130 on air for me would you? Just like it's "SAFE" to
be
> out on the interstate after a "few" drinks right? If you don't believe the
> narcosis affects you do a dive to 140 on air and then follow it up with
the
> same dive with some helium mixed in and you will KNOW the difference.
Diving
> impaired is like driving impaired, just because you get away with it for
> awhile doesn't mean that you should be doing it.
>
> As for Gilliam, his position on deep air as well as his track record of
> doing it is common knowledge. There are many people who are lucky enough
to
> have gotten away with it that you can ask why you shouldn't be doing it.
> There have been enough don't do deep air poster children (Rob Palmer comes
> to mind but there are countless others) that have proven that the "thrill"
> of deep air isn't worth the price (your life) if something happens. This
> death becomes even more stupid when you realize that the dive could have
> been done safely on trimix.
>
> Wake up and breathe the He.
>
> Don
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Hagland [mailto:haglandg@to*.co*]
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 8:56 PM
> To: Trey; john.r.strohm@BI*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: RE: And the beat goes on, and on, and on...
>
>
> George,
> You are wrong. Am continually amazed how you can slander folks you don't
> know.  Have met Gilliam twice in my life at DEMA's in '95 and '96.  Am
sure
> that he doesn't remember me.  Do not have any connections with him or his
> training agencies.  Although I'd like to go back to Truk someday, am not
> going with him or his group, therefore have no reason to sucker anyone
else
> into the trip. Diving in Truk isn't particularly difficult.  The water is
> warm and clear, there are no currents, and most wrecks are at moderate
> depths with few below 130 - 140 FSW.  It's great diving, but am not sure
> that you need to go the incredible expense and effort of bringing in
helium
> to dive what others have been doing safely on air for years.
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trey [mailto:trey@ne*.co*]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 9:28 AM
> To: haglandg@to*.co*; john.r.strohm@BI*.co*;
> techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: Re: And the beat goes on, and on, and on...
>
>
> Bullshit.   JJ ran a trip to the Britannic and got the helium there, he
ran
> a trip to the mountains of Turkey and got it there, Parker Turner got it
to
> the Bahamas in 1984 to dive some deep caves there. You guys are so fucking
> stupid it is ridiculous.
>
> Let me guess, you are a dive instructor who is going for free at the
expense
> of the poor dumb assholes you sucker into this Gillaim situation. Am I
right
> or wrong, Gary?
>
> Nobody needs you guys. Dumb and a parasite.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Hagland <haglandg@to*.co*>
> To: <john.r.strohm@BI*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:35 AM
> Subject: RE: And the beat goes on, and on, and on...
>
>
> > John,
> > Except for the San Francisco Maru and the Oite, the other notable wrecks
> in
> > Truk are at 140 FSW or above.  The deck of the San Francisco is at 150'
> and
> > the Oite is above 200. Conditions are ideal in that there are no
currents
> > and the water is usually very clear.  The guides are competent.  There's
> no
> > helium to be had because you're pretty much at the end of the world,
> > although I suppose you could ship some in from Guam at a hefty price. I
> > would caution folks to think very carefully about diving the Oite, but
the
> > others, including the San Francisco, are within the range of compressed
> air
> > diving.
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: john.r.strohm@BI*.co* [mailto:john.r.strohm@BI*.co*]
> > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 1:59 AM
> > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > Subject: And the beat goes on, and on, and on...
> >
> >
> > Check out the lower half of page 95 of the October 2000 issue of
Rodale's
> > "SCUBA Diving".
> >
> > This is "An RSD Dive Expedition", to Truk Lagoon, aboard the "Odyssey".
> > Special features of the trip include "Free training and supervision in
> > extended-range diving and decompression techniques (if desired) from
Bret
> > Gilliam, president of Technical Diving International".
> >
> > Later in the pitch they say they are offering double tanks with
dual-valve
> > isolation manifolds.  I guess that's an improvement.  When they had
Mitch
> > Skaggs doing it, they were using independent doubles.
> >
> > Notably absent from the ad is any mention whatsoever of trimix.  They
also
> > don't say what deco mixes are available.  Previously, they have used
> 80/20.
> >
> > And, if that wasn't enough, and by golly don't you think it ought to be,
> on
> > page 6, in the masthead for the magazine, we find: "Technical Diving
> > Editor: Bret Gilliam".
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