Penetration from an opening. We went 19,000 feet
from an opening and back - the worlds record, which
broke our own records of 18,000, 14,265, 14,065, etc
etc... The Mexico stuff has nothing in excess of
about 2500 feet from an opening, and that is in 20
feet of water.

You have to look at who the blithering idiots are it
who put that out and you will see the answer.

On the other hand, as far as surveyed passages in
underwater caves, there are three in Mexico that are
the three longest underwater caves in the World - Ox
Bel Ha, NoHoach, and Dos Pendejos. Leon Sinks, in
Florida , where we dive, has 110,000 feet, and is a
distant fourth to these other caves, but is 300 feet
deep,and is the longest underwater cave in the
United States. Wakulla Springs, another cave we
dive, has 57,000 feet of surveyed passage, all
between 280 and 300 feet deep with one entrance
only. Leon has 26 known entrances, the furthest
apart being 14,700 feet right now ( the World record
traverse , held by WKPP) , and the closest being
about 200 feet.

By way of comparison,the Mammoth Cave System in
Kentucky , a dry cave, is some 500 MILES of surveyed
passage.

The significance of these records for our cave
diving is that they show or superior ability to
conduct these activities where all others have
failed, and that is do SOLELY to DIR. The
information gathered about diving , equipment and
what works is second to none in our operation. We
were doing this kind  of diving and gas diving prior
to the existence of any of the training agencies
that pretend to teach it ( while fighting us tooth
and nail) . Keep that in mind when some IANTD moron
tries to tell you what a big time diver he is - a
joke at best.

The other significance of these records is that they
call attention to the resources we are exploring,
since ereryones show up to see us get killed, and as
you know , they have all been severely disappointed.


>Being a non-cave diver, I was wondering about how
cave penetration was
>measured.
>I started thinking about this after seeing a thread
on rec.scuba where World
>Record Penetrations was briefly discussed.  There
were some comparisons made
>between what the WKPP had done, and some cave
penetrations in Mexico (I
>think). Something was mentioned about measuring to
the nearest surface
>opening. For my question, let's use the following
very simple example:
>
>Please correct any terminology misusage.
>
>The entrance to Cave A (tunnel(?)) is from a spring
(Spring A) and travels a
>distance of 500 feet. It then opens up into another
spring  B) with a direct
>vertical exit to the surface. Also in Spring B is
another Tunnel (Cave B)
>that travels for another 500 feet and ends in a
room type cave that  has no
>other passageways (dead ends). Let's call this Cave
C.
>
>Question: Would traveling from the entrance to Cave
A to Cave C be
>considered a single penetration of 1000 feet  or
two 500 foot penetrations
>because of  Spring B being between them?
>
>I hope I'm making some sense.
>
>Thanks for being patient with someone who will
probably never do the things
>you do but is very supportive and interested.
>
>Kent
>
>
>
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