Chris, the real problem is that these guys get fed
crap by IANTD and TDI that we not only know better
than, but in our own organizations, (* WKPP and
*GUE) we don't ALLOW.

Think about that : these guys are getting taught and
told things that we have found to be so stupid , so
dangerous and so far off base that we DON'T ALLOW
THEM.

The they get told by those instructors that I am an
idiot, that WKPP is some bullshit to be avoided, and
that DIR is all wrong.

All I have to say is, what the has anyone from IANTD
or TDI ever done in diving that compares to what we
do every week of our lives ?

It is no surprise that some student from Texas ,
fresh out of Idiocy School, or this other rec scuba
neophyte, come screaming out ofter me armed with
baloney that they were told , and that have no idea
what the truth is.

The truth is that IANTD has had to be hit in the
head with a continuous two by four to even get near
modern tech diving, TDI has had to be sued severely
( IANTD also )before they even came off of the
REALLY stupid shit, and the rest are just struggling
trying to make a commercial venture out of a sport
that does not really lend itself to money making
where any quality is applied. Just look at the
quickie rebreather training that geos on.

I got lucky - my four instructors were 1) my fathers
boat captain, 2) Vaugh Kerkorian who has an MBA and
runs a division of World Savings where I get my
mortgages , Alton Hall - one of my father's lawyers,
and Parker Turner who owned oil wells. Since I
handled his money, I know full well that the last
thing he needed was to teach diving.

Parker and the WKPP taught me cave over a nine month
period and then Gavin took over.  Luckily, there are
not for profit organizations like GUE, and non
profits like WKPP that teach people and progress
them along over time with continuous access to real
information, knowledge, and a chance to practice
skills with peers and seasoned players. Many other
out ther have set up similar organiztions to do the
same all over the US and the World.

Diving for dollars is what is driving the bullshit
out there, and the concomittant horror story
results. Sooner or later the idots will get sued so
many times that they will lose their insurance, and
in the end the sport will look like the WKPP model
everywhere, and quite frankly the faster that
happens the better it is for all of us.


Paul,
   Does rec.audio have a list of 80+ that died
because some salesman told them a piece of crap
amplifier was the thing to have?  This list isn't
rec.anything... the stakes are higher here and
sometimes we have to play Wak-A-Mole with the
idiots.
C.


Chris Elmore
College of Liberal Arts
Univ. of SC
(803) 777-1534 office
(803) 348-3055 mobile
Please use this address for all email: chris@sc*.ed*

>>> Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*>
09/06/00 10:27PM >>>
On rec.audio.pro you get the same for audio without
the attitude, and
on daw-mac you get the same for mac based Daws
without the attitude.
I could go on.  Of course I'm continually amazed how
many jerks this
sport attracts.  I'm not worried about the tone, so
long as it
doesn't interfere with getting info.  I think it
often does.

Cheers.

Einar Hagen wrote:
~
>Dont worry about the tone of the list, Paul. Its
just our way of
>communicating and look on the upside, here you can
get answers
>from the best divers out there in a matter of
hours.
>
>
>Einar
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*>
>
>>  I agree with you entirely.  For some reason,
often when I ask a
>>  question on this list I get shot down.
Undoubtedly, this is the most
>>  hostile list I've ever been on.  Too bad.
>>
>>  Cheers,
>>
>>  --
>>  Paul Braunbehrens

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