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From: Steven Bliim <Steven.Bliim@Mc*.co*.au*>
To: "'Guy Morin'" <xnet@vi*.ca*>, Techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: RE: 80/20 deco and financing.
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:28:33 +1000
Dear List
=A0
This little diatribe, like many of the others we have seen over the =
last
week, makes many assumptions but gives no real basis for the =
assumptions
that are made. In short it is full of shit.
=A0
The basic premise overlooks the simple fact that some people make =
decisions
on grounds other than purely economic ones. Some people decide that =
they
will accept a slightly higher base cost for a thing if there are =
advantages
in quality, safety or elsewhere. This is obvious in the case of the =
WKPP's
activities when one considers their attitude to trimix as opposed to =
air and
the level of helium they advocate in their standard mixes. If they were
purely motivated by penny pinching considerations as suggested by Mr =
Morin
they would be advocating deep air to 200' and less He in the mixes =
below
200'. Not quite what I have seen on this list and on the WKPP web page.
Pretty well anathema to what George advocates.=20
=A0
OK Mr Morin how about an answer to the frequent requests for you to =
list the
sources of the research that shows that EAN 36 and 80/20 are the ant's =
pants
in decompression? How about you tell us why using 80/20 does not =
involve
backgas breaks but can get you out of the water safer and quicker than =
100%
in situations where those on 100% need backgas breaks? This has been
requested several times in the last few days, but I am yet to see you
respond - how about it?
=A0
No, before you go off on a tangent slinging accusations of =
inappropriate
interest in my general direction, I am not associated with the WKPP or
Halcyon or EE. I am interested in DIR diving and I do subscribe to the =
GUE
magazine, although I am not a member of GUE - not much point they don't =
have
a presence here in Australia.
=A0
Steven Bliim

-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Morin [mailto:xnet@vi*.ca*]
Sent: Monday, 4 September 2000 23:33
To: Techdiver
Subject: 80/20 deco and financing.


To make sure we are clear here on costs associated=20
with either decompression option, the WKPP, or=20
any other organization aren't immune to cost.=20

The pretension that the WKPP doesn't care about=20
the cost of it's operation is fantasy.=20


Anyone who claims that WKPP has infinite resources=20
is dreaming in full color.=20


Any undertaking is sensitive to costs, and anyone who affirms=20
that this is not the case is suffering from severe delusions.=20


As a case in point, let us all remember that even the=20
most extravagant undertakings in history, let's take=20
going to the moon as a perfect example, are centered=20
around the lowest bidder. Need anything more be said?=20
If you were looking at competing decompression strategies=20
for any project, this would be the first item of interest to=20
the shareholders.=20


The very basic lesson in economics is over, you simpletons=20
who promote this myth that WKPP has infinite resources=20
should stay in bed, or get yourself some coffee.=20


Why else does the WKPP create organizations like extreme=20
exposure, and halcyon, and guess but to fund their exploration.=20
This is what they say, right?=20


So, costs matter, and are likely to be fundamental drivers of=20
their decompression strategy, and that, dear friends is=20
just reality. You may not want to hear this, not even=20
accept it, but at the end of the day, every organization=20
on the face of the planet is accountable.=20


In the end, it's all about financing their little project. Altruism=20
isn't in the recipe.=20


BTW, folks who say that cost doesn't matter, obviously=20
can't manage.=20

--=A0

Guy
=A0=20

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