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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C01651.4506A7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guy, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and I am = not goin to waste any time with you. See my decompressions in all of my = dive reports and tell me you have a better way. Also, below find the "logic" and "common" sense of the source of the = 80/20 stupidity. Talk to this guy, not me.=20 I have proven what works, you have no idea, and I am not goiing to tell = yo why. From: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*> >The reason we recommend 80% is due to seeing students have oxygen = problems >in OW on o2 at 20 feet > >Personally as I grew up with po2 going from 2 ata to 1.8 to 1.6 I have = used >oxygen on deco at 30 feet for many years I no longer do that. > >So I will continue to use 100% in cave and 80% in OW on those rare = occasions >(when teaching) that I use OC anymore > >As far as theoretical risk of 80% at 30 vs. 100% at 20 fsw > >80% is not 1.6 until you descend to 33 feet > >100% is 1.61 at 20 feet and 1.7 at 23 feet > >Is that significant it could be if a diver is in OW and varies there = depth >by 3 to 4 feet > >On CCR at 20 feet I find it difficult to maintain a po2 greater than = 1.5 >without wasting alot of oxygen. Thus I usually deco at 1.4 to 1.45 and = it is >easy to maintain even at he 20 foot stop . > >My two cents > >Tom Mount >CEO IAND Inc / IANTD ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Guy Morin=20 To: Trey=20 Cc: techdiver@Aquanaut.Com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:52 PM Subject: Re: 80/20 nonsense Trey,=20 Thank you for considering the post. My regrets on your lack of = courage.=20 18000 ft penetrations, no problem, but in affirming that 50/100 is an = optimal=20 logistical choice that offers equivocal decompression risks/benefits = as=20 36/80: no can do?=20 =20 > Look, you have no track record, no experience, and no information. = You take=20 > what IANTD told you as the gospel. I do not have time to waste on = you , as :=20 > 1) you do not need the info, 2), you would not even get it if I = told you.=20 You can't ignore the voice of reason, no matter who speaks it. Face = the=20 issue here and now. You can turn this into a big win, but you are = going=20 to have to risk.=20 =20 > Also, he WKPP is not here to keep you entertained, informed, or = happy. We=20 > have done what you are speculating about for the past 14 years.=20 But you are entertaining me, and many others. These oversights of = yours aren't=20 going to slip under the rug, not after the feces you people have = disturbed.=20 Ante up buddy, you of all people should know you stand only to gain = here.=20 You need to be a leader here. There are many examples to follow. Intel = with=20 the Pentium fiasco, that was a public relation's disaster that wasn't = repeated=20 when the antitrust probes were conducted by the Government. Microsoft = is=20 learning that painful lesson.=20 People won't be fooled, not for long. Your pitting yourself against = people's=20 common sense, that is a formidable adversary, are you really sure you = can=20 bluff your way out of this? Is this really the best tactic?=20 =20 > Now, go back to your Tom Mouth workbook, and then tell me why Mouth = uses=20 > 80/20 in the ocean, and 100% when cave diving ( per one of his = most recent=20 > post to rebreather list) ???? Start with that as your homework = assignment.=20 Now, now, temper. That was a very conciliatory gesture, and I would be = careful=20 as to how far to read into that one.=20 > By the way, Jarrod's deco list explains his whole deco program and = has its=20 > authors on line for guys like you who want to jerk people around. = You'll get=20 > nothing from me.=20 Too bad, your loss. It's not me you should be worrying about.=20 --=20 Guy =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C01651.4506A7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Guy, you have absolutely no idea what you are = talking=20 about, and I am not goin to waste any time with you. See my = decompressions in=20 all of my dive reports and tell me you have a better way.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Also, below find the "logic" and "common" sense = of the=20 source of the 80/20 stupidity. Talk to this guy, not me. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I have proven what works, you have no idea, and = I am not=20 goiing to tell yo why.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>From: "Tom Mount" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*">TOM.MOUNT@worldnet.att.net</A>= ><BR>>The=20 reason we recommend 80% is due to seeing students have oxygen = problems<BR>>in=20 OW on o2 at 20 feet<BR>><BR>>Personally as I grew up with po2 = going from 2=20 ata to 1.8 to 1.6 I have used<BR>>oxygen on deco at 30 feet for many = years I=20 no longer do that.<BR>><BR>>So I will continue to use 100% in cave = and 80%=20 in OW on those rare occasions<BR>>(when teaching) that I use OC=20 anymore<BR>><BR>>As far as theoretical risk of 80% at 30 vs. 100% = at 20=20 fsw<BR>><BR>>80% is not 1.6 until you descend to 33=20 feet<BR>><BR>>100% is 1.61 at 20 feet and 1.7 at 23 = feet<BR>><BR>>Is=20 that significant it could be if a diver is in OW and varies there=20 depth<BR>>by 3 to 4 feet<BR>><BR>>On CCR at 20 feet I find it = difficult=20 to maintain a po2 greater than 1.5<BR>>without wasting alot of = oxygen. Thus I=20 usually deco at 1.4 to 1.45 and it is<BR>>easy to maintain even at he = 20 foot=20 stop .<BR>><BR>>My two cents<BR>><BR>>Tom Mount<BR>>CEO = IAND Inc=20 / IANTD<BR></DIV></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:xnet@vi*.ca*" title=3Dxnet@vi*.ca*>Guy = Morin</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*"=20 title=3Dtrey@ne*.co*>Trey</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"=20 title=3Dtechdiver@Aquanaut.Com>techdiver@Aquanaut.Com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 03, = 2000 11:52=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: 80/20 = nonsense</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Trey,=20 <P>Thank you for considering the post. My regrets on your lack of = courage.=20 <BR>18000 ft penetrations, no problem, but in affirming that 50/100 is = an=20 optimal <BR>logistical choice that offers equivocal decompression=20 risks/benefits as <BR>36/80: no can do? <BR> =20 <P>> Look, you have no track record, no experience, and no=20 information. You take <BR>> what IANTD told you as the gospel. I do = not=20 have time to waste on you , as : <BR>> 1) you do not need the = info,=20 2), you would not even get it if I told you.=20 <P>You can't ignore the voice of reason, no matter who speaks it. Face = the=20 <BR>issue here and now. You can turn this into a big win, but you are = going=20 <BR>to have to risk. <BR> =20 <P>> Also, he WKPP is not here to keep you entertained, informed, = or happy.=20 We <BR>> have done what you are speculating about for the past 14 = years.=20 <P>But you are entertaining me, and many others. These oversights of = yours=20 aren't <BR>going to slip under the rug, not after the feces you people = have=20 disturbed.=20 <P>Ante up buddy, you of all people should know you stand only to gain = here.=20 <P>You need to be a leader here. There are many examples to follow. = Intel with=20 <BR>the Pentium fiasco, that was a public relation's disaster that = wasn't=20 repeated <BR>when the antitrust probes were conducted by the=20 Government. Microsoft is <BR>learning that painful lesson.=20 <P>People won't be fooled, not for long. Your pitting yourself against = people's <BR>common sense, that is a formidable adversary, are you = really sure=20 you can <BR>bluff your way out of this? Is this really the best = tactic?=20 <BR> =20 <P>> Now, go back to your Tom Mouth workbook, and then tell me why = Mouth=20 uses <BR>> 80/20 in the ocean, and 100% when cave = diving ( per=20 one of his most recent <BR>> post to rebreather list) ???? = Start with=20 that as your homework assignment.=20 <P>Now, now, temper. That was a very conciliatory gesture, and I would = be=20 careful <BR>as to how far to read into that one.=20 <P>> By the way, Jarrod's deco list explains his whole deco program = and has=20 its <BR>> authors on line for guys like you who want to jerk people = around.=20 You'll get <BR>> nothing from me.=20 <P>Too bad, your loss. It's not me you should be worrying about. = <PRE>-- Guy</PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C01651.4506A7C0-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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