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From: James Dibbs <James.Dibbs@ma*.co*.au*>
To: "'Simon L Hartley'" <shartley@sc*.ed*.au*>,
     Techdiver
    
Subject: RE: DIR-folks: why black ?
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:39:06 +1100
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Simon,

I think your comments have merit for the conditions you speak of. 

My two cents to the list on the colour coding thing. 
I'm sure this is in the archives somewhere but the whole colour (we spell it
right!) coding thing for different deco mixes pretty much becomes useless for
most of the visible spectrum beyond a few metres and is totally useless in a
siltout or total light failure. 

Sure you might be able to distinguish between black, yellow and blue reasonably
easily but the rest of your regs become greenish brown.

James Dibbs
Sydney, Australia





-----Original Message-----
From: Simon L Hartley [mailto:shartley@sc*.ed*.au*]
Sent: 4 September 2000 4:06 PM
To: Techdiver
Subject: RE: DIR-folks: why black ?


At 02:06 2/09/2000 -0700, "Shimell, David (shimell)" <shimell@se*.co*>
wrote:
>5.	So, really the only argument for a yellow second stage would the be
>primary regulator, but since it's in my mouth and easy to locate, then why
>bother - common black regulators allow for interchangeability.

I've just skimmed through this thread so hope I'm not jumping in half
cocked.  I agree with the points you make.  However I use a yellow primary
(on the long hose) for the following reasons:

1. There's no reason not to (I had yellow diaphragm covers lying around)
and can't see any particular disadvantage.  I use the same primary and
backup regs so all parts, etc are interchangable (same reg, different
coloured diphragm cover).  

2. I lead recreational OW dives so apart from night dives there is always
plenty of ambient light.  Even below 30' a lite coloured object (yellow)
will stand out against a darker background (rest of my gear, black).  At
least within the depths I dive.  

3. I am the only one locally diving a DIR type gear configuration (note I
didn't say diving DIR  :-)  IE I dive with divers who are generally not
trained to take the reg out of your mouth so I want to take every
opportunity to improve the chances they will go for this reg (only two to
choose from and the other is tucked under my chin on bungie cord, and it's
black against my black wetsuit).  

4. For training purposes (in my case mainly just demonstrating to a buddy
but I am trying to encourage others to try the system) it's useful for the
donated reg to be distinct.  Have actually thought of getting a yellow lp
hose for the primary so the routing is clear also?

Please note though, I'm certainly not advocating some sort of silly colour
coding for other gear.  I just think in my case at least making the reg I
donate stand out a bit seems to have merit.  Comments?

If you want to see pics...

	http://www.scu.edu.au/staff_pages/shartley/projects/gear/

Cheers,

Simon

Simon L Hartley
RSM Website Coordinator\First Year Course Coordinator
Associate Lecturer
School of Resource Science and Management
Southern Cross University
P.O. Box 157
Lismore NSW, Australia 2480
Ph: (02) 66203251 or (61 66) 203 251
Fax:(02) 66212669
E-mail: shartley@sc*.ed*.au*

http://www.scu.edu.au/staff_pages/shartley/index.html

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Simon,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I think your comments have merit for the conditions =
you speak of. </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>My two cents to the list on the colour coding thing. =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'm sure this is in the archives somewhere but the =
whole colour (we spell it right!) coding thing for different deco mixes =
pretty much becomes useless for most of the visible spectrum beyond a =
few metres and is totally useless in a siltout or total light failure. =
</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sure you might be able to distinguish between black, =
yellow and blue reasonably easily but the rest of your regs become =
greenish brown.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>James Dibbs</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sydney, Australia</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Simon L Hartley [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:shartley@sc*.ed*.au*">mailto:shartley@scu.edu.au</A>]</FON=
T>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: 4 September 2000 4:06 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Techdiver</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: DIR-folks: why black ?</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>At 02:06 2/09/2000 -0700, "Shimell, David =
(shimell)" <shimell@se*.co*></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>5.     So, really the only =
argument for a yellow second stage would the be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>primary regulator, but since it's in my mouth =
and easy to locate, then why</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>bother - common black regulators allow for =
interchangeability.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I've just skimmed through this thread so hope I'm not =
jumping in half</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>cocked.  I agree with the points you =
make.  However I use a yellow primary</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(on the long hose) for the following reasons:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>1. There's no reason not to (I had yellow diaphragm =
covers lying around)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and can't see any particular disadvantage.  I =
use the same primary and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>backup regs so all parts, etc are interchangable =
(same reg, different</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>coloured diphragm cover).  </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>2. I lead recreational OW dives so apart from night =
dives there is always</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>plenty of ambient light.  Even below 30' a lite =
coloured object (yellow)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>will stand out against a darker background (rest of =
my gear, black).  At</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>least within the depths I dive.  </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>3. I am the only one locally diving a DIR type gear =
configuration (note I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>didn't say diving DIR  :-)  IE I dive with =
divers who are generally not</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>trained to take the reg out of your mouth so I want =
to take every</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>opportunity to improve the chances they will go for =
this reg (only two to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>choose from and the other is tucked under my chin on =
bungie cord, and it's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>black against my black wetsuit).  </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>4. For training purposes (in my case mainly just =
demonstrating to a buddy</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>but I am trying to encourage others to try the =
system) it's useful for the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>donated reg to be distinct.  Have actually =
thought of getting a yellow lp</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>hose for the primary so the routing is clear =
also?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Please note though, I'm certainly not advocating some =
sort of silly colour</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>coding for other gear.  I just think in my case =
at least making the reg I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>donate stand out a bit seems to have merit.  =
Comments?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If you want to see pics...</FONT>
</P>

<P>        <FONT SIZE=3D2><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.scu.edu.au/staff_pages/shartley/projects/gear/" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.scu.edu.au/staff_pages/shartley/projects/ge=
ar/</A></FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Simon</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Simon L Hartley</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>RSM Website Coordinator\First Year Course =
Coordinator</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Associate Lecturer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>School of Resource Science and Management</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Southern Cross University</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>P.O. Box 157</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Lismore NSW, Australia 2480</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ph: (02) 66203251 or (61 66) 203 251</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Fax:(02) 66212669</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>E-mail: shartley@sc*.ed*.au*</FONT>
</P>

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