Exactly.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shimell, David (shimell) <shimell@se*.co*>
To: trey@ne*.co* <trey@ne*.co*>; Capt JT
<captjt@mi*.co*>
Cc: List - Technical Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>;
MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>
Date: Monday, August 14, 2000 12:07 PM
Subject: RE: re vb tech reprot


>George
>
>>Do not even tell me that my reasons for marking
>>stages do not fit a "wreck" diver - 100% of the gas
>>diving accidents are BREATHING THE WRONG GAS.
>
>Speaking as a UK wreck diver, I always check and
double check the markings of
>my deco cylinders before and after a gas switch.  The
need for correct bottle
>marking applies to a greater extent in wreck diving
than for cave.  In cave,
>you drop your deco bottles at their MOD, in wreck you
take them with you so
>the chance of a CF is much greater in wreck.  Hence
the *greater* importance
>for proper marking.
>
>David Shimell
>shimell@se*.co* <mailto:shimell@se*.co*>
>DDI: 01932 814096 * Mobile: 07770 282 202 * Fax:
01932 814343
>Project Manager, IBM UK Web Server Group, Sequent
Computer Systems Ltd,
>Weybridge Business Park, Addlestone Road, Weybridge,
Surrey, KT15 2UF, UK
>registered in England and Wales under company number:
1999363, registered
>office as above
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: trey@ne*.co* [SMTP:trey@ne*.co*]
>Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 1:58 AM
>To: Capt JT
>Cc: List - Technical Diver; MHK
>Subject: Re: re vb tech reprot
>
>I'll skip your digging dives , and guess what,
>the compass still works in the bad vis, and
>I still can figure out how to get where I need to
>be. You really need to try a cave dive and then tell
>me about this BULL. You make me laugh. Rise
>above the silt and take your bearing. What the fuck
>is  wrong with you lately? You will never see my ass
>at sea without a compass, and "referencing" is a
>skill - ask anyone who has been cave diving .
>
>In-tack ships make it easy, man made debris is easy
>since it is somewhat recognizable. Try limestone for
>miles and then tell me how to navigate, JT - you are
>covering for idiots with lame ass bullshit.
>
>Do not even tell me that my reasons for marking
>stages do not fit a "wreck" diver - 100% of the gas
>diving accidents are BREATHING THE WRONG GAS.
>
>
>I am not interested in reaching morons, JT, I
>obviously have reached more people than any of you
>have or ever will, and that is a fact. Where do you
>think "DIR" came from, and who's tapes do they use,
>and who's diagrams, who's articles and who's
>description?
>
>Hello, Mom? I'l stick to my way of dealing with
>idiots, and you can diasagree - no big deal, but  as
>for the marking, there is no arguement against my
>way that makes any fucking sense or holds up in all
>situations - Mine does.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
>To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
>Cc: List - Technical Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>;
>MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>
>Date: Sunday, August 13, 2000 11:04 AM
>Subject: Re: re vb tech reprot
>
>
>>
>>>JT, I don't know what kind of mutations or
>silliness
>>>you are wanting to "debate" with me, but I never
>>>noticed it diving with you either up there or down
>>>here, so it must be something you are planing on
>>>doing in the privacy of your own home , so don't
>>>even tell me.
>>
>>You will find that we will agree on almost
>everything, there are very
>>few  things we do not agree on. That is why you
>were  unable to notice
>>anything up here or down there very different
>between us and you.The 2 big
>>things we do not agree on are:
>>1) Delivery of the message
>>2) Reasons why you mark stages, rig, and over all
>do it the way you say.
>>
>>You fail to get the message to the wreck divers
>because, your reasons do
>>not fit into their diving.
>>
>>
>>>Of course there are little things you guys do that
>I
>>>don't bother mentioning, as they are "mute"
>points,
>>>like riding scooters that are under you where you
>>>can not see the blades ( I think you said your
>>>scooter ate something - I was not paying
>attention).
>>>There is no sense saying anything about it as you
>>>know what would be best and even though I myself
>>>would not do that, because I realize the ones you
>>>have are very reasonably priced and everyone can
>get
>>>one, and they go deep enough for what you need
>them
>>>for, and a scooter like I would use is very
>>>expensive. So we let that one go by, but then when
>>>the whole system starts to get fucked up over it,
>>>you may want to stop and think about it. Otherwise
>>>you are  thinking in the right direction on the
>big
>>>stuff so that is the idea.
>>
>>You are right about the scooters, cost is a factor
>among those like me with
>>limited income. Plus you fail to see that the Gavin
>would be useless as a
>>digging tool to wreck divers. If I wanted to be an
>asshole to you guys when
>>you came up here I would have taken you to wrecks
>like the "Tiger" where
>>your compass would only have been good on the
>surface and there is no bow,
>>stern, port, or stbd on that wreck. Just ask Al
>Marvelli, he did a night
>>dive on it. I would maybe have taken you to the
>"Eureka" where all those
>>scooters we had would have been turned into digging
>tools and the vis would
>>have went down to 3-5 ft in those spots we dig. And
>you compare our 40ft
>>vis to be 12ft vis to you, if we say it is 3-5ft
>just imagine what you
>>think it would be. We chose the "Mexicana" because
>it fit the needs and
>>likes of everyone that came.
>>
>>
>>>The New England boat monkeys do NOTHING right , as
>>>in not one thing, and they end up influencing the
>>>new people quite badly to the point where they get
>>>people killed. Fuck those assholes, I will be as
>>>rude and nasty to them as I can, will continue to
>>>make fun of them in every way I  can, and will be
>>>glad to point out to everyone else why they are so
>>>stupid, and let them try to defend it until they
>are
>>>isolated as the obvious village idiots that they
>>>are.
>>
>>You do anything you want, that is YOUR "Personal
>Peference" I guess, I beat
>>my drum loud and clear, just like you, but my sound
>does not hurt everyones
>>ears so they keep listening to me.
>>
>>
>>JT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>The wkpp leader is a prime example - the Saddam
>>>Hussein of cave diving .Seeing his bullshit boat
>ideas
>>and dive compass is like those pictures from the
>Gulf
>>War where Saddam had ( in English ) a sign outside
>>of a chemical weapons plant that said "Baby Milk
>>Factory" - that is how DIR divers appear to
>>me - shameless morons who are getting people mad.
>>I hear they call that idiot "MLC" now.
>>Perfect. Thank God for JJ - a few
>>more lives saved.
>>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or
>later you have to get in the
>>water"
>>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East
>Coast & more
>>  Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
>>Email     captjt@mi*.co*
>>
>>
>>
>
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