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From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
To: "Al Marvelli" <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>, "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
Cc: "List - Technical Diver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>,
     "MHK"
Subject: Re: re vb tech reprot
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 05:57:03 -0400
A compass will give a slightly off reading around a
big hunk of iron, but not enough to throw off your
orientation. In underwater navigation, you learn to
put all the tools together. Leaving the compass out
of the mix is what a dumb fuck would do, and that is
the only word to describe most of the wreck divers
in New York and New Jersey - ignorant , dangerous
dumb fucks with nothing to offer this sport but
their pitiful track record , which is well
documented and has caught the attention of the
non-diving media in the worst possible way.

I see no reason to emulate these idiots or to defend
them. JT is really making himself look foolish in
doing so. I am disgusted by the stupidity of the NE
wreck divers, and see them as a bad influence and a
cancer on this sport.

I will not compromise with any of this - it is
bullshit - you ether do things right or not at all.
I am sick of the "special situation " crap out of
wreck divers - it is balony.


>Capt JT
>
>That was my second dive on the tiger, i did it in
daytime last year. I can
>confirm it is a junk pile, unrecognizable scrap
metal in no identitfiable
>pattern on the bottom. I know of a few ways to dive
a site like that, you
>either dive with a wreck reel< my favorite>, dive
the wreck so much you can
>navigate between "known" points <ie non overhead
progressive "penetration">,
>dive in a straight line- make a 180 and come right
back< or make a 190 and get
>lost>, carry an upline<jersey reel anyone?> or you
just swim around and come up
>off the anchor line<hopefully up current of the
boat>. I did not use my compass
><which i carried> on the tiger, but i know from
experience a compass will often
>give false readings on such a wreck. The capt of
the boat that night was
>suggesting we stay within strobe range of the
anchor, he was so worried people
>would get lost.
>
>and if that was 12 ft vis then those guys must have
gone about 47,000 ft into
>those caves.
>
>rgds,
>
>Al Marvelli
>
>Capt JT wrote:
>
>digging tool to wreck divers. If I wanted to be an
asshole to you guys whenyou
>came up here I would have taken you to wrecks like
the "Tiger" where
>
>> your compass would only have been good on the
surface and there is no bow,
>> stern, port, or stbd on that wreck. Just ask Al
Marvelli, he did a night
>> dive on it. I would maybe have taken you to the
"Eureka" where all those
>> scooters we had would have been turned into
digging tools and the vis would
>> have went down to 3-5 ft in those spots we dig.
And you compare our 40ft
>> vis to be 12ft vis to you, if we say it is 3-5ft
just imagine what you
>> think it would be. We chose the "Mexicana"
because it fit the needs and
>
>
>
>

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