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George, Thanks for the response. I know you have bounced people from dive sites for having stroke gear etc... but I wondered what you did if someone didn't show the same commitment to taking care of themselves on a regular basis. I noticed you do rip people new ones for diving stroke gear but the one thing I never see mentioned on a lot of these posts about fatalities is "Was the person in shape?" I would think that would rank right up there with "Was he diving stroke gear?" but I dont ever see the fitness question addressed when people post about a fatality. Todd >From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey) >To: "Todd Baldi" <todd_baldi@ho*.co*>, <scottk@hc*.co*>, ><mhkane@pr*.ne*> >CC: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, <cavers@ca*.co*> >Subject: Most Important Piece fo Equipment wasRe: Series of recent deaths >Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:36:35 -0400 > > > > >Todd, I do not "require" any workout regimen out of my >divers, I merely lead by example. It is pretty >embarrasing when 48 yer old guy can severely out gun >the 20-30 year old's in every measure of athletic >performance, stamina , strength fitness and look. I do >not have to do anything but take my shirt off to get >that point across, and remind them who never gets >cold, tired , injured or bent. They take it from >there. > >Obviously,JJ and my top guns are in the same category >as me. While other than JJ they are not all around >tops in every category, they all do what they do very >seriously. Many are marathon runners, Iron Man >triatheletes, sprint triatheletes, Masters swimmers, >or cyclists. > >My main message and example is show up every day and >do something, no matter what, and that is what I have >done for my whole life, with even more intensity the >last ten years. Besides being the key to fitness, it >is the key to longevity and quality of life and health >in every regard. > >I have no aches or pains, no problem doing anyting , >no problem running or lifting weights with my 19 year >old son, no problem doing the Iron Man, etc. I can >still bench press more than twice my weight and run a >sub 11 second 100 yds. or do any distance swimning, >running or on the bike. > >I guess you could say I effectively "require" fitness >since to do the dives I ask thes guys to do, it is >essential. Diving and especaily diving in the WKPP >seems to get people thinking fitness in every way. >Most no longer drink, obviously do not smoke, smoke >pot or use drugs, and most take fitness and health >very seriously. > >Some of the girls on the team are the same: Dawn >Kernagis can kick some ass on a bike or a swim, and >Pina can run like a rocket forever. It really shows on >the dopler tests. > > >George, > > > >I read a lot on the list and the WKPP website >regarding gear configuration > >but I rarely see any mention of the most important >piece of equipment, your > >body. > > > >I am familiar with your workout regimine through >private emails and some > >discussion on the list. Could you please give a >rundown on what the other > >WKPP divers do to maintain their shape. Is there >some set workout rountine > >that you require for WKPP divers? Plus what training, >other than what is > >listed on your forms do you require your divers to go >through? > > > >Thanks, > >Todd > > > >>From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey) > >>To: "Scott" <scottk@hc*.co*>, "MHK" ><mhkane@pr*.ne*> > >>CC: "List - Technical Diver" ><techdiver@aquanaut.com>, <cavers@ca*.co*> > >>Subject: Re: Series of recent deaths > >>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:22:22 -0400 > >> > >>go to http://www.wkpp.org and then "Equipment" and > >>then the DIR gear config article - it is all there. > >> > >>The direct url is > >>http://www.wkpp.org/articles/Gear/newgeorge.html > >> > >>Try to understand it in its entirety. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Scott <scottk@hc*.co*> > >>To: George Irvine <trey@ne*.co*>; MHK > >><mhkane@pr*.ne*> > >>Date: Thursday, August 10, 2000 3:01 PM > >>Subject: Fw: Series of recent deaths > >> > >> > >> > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: "Scott" <scottk@hc*.re*.co*> > >> >Newsgroups: rec.scuba > >> >Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:00 PM > >> >Subject: Re: Series of recent deaths > >> > > >> > > >> >> Its going to get worse before it gets better. > >> >> > >> >> The more people die, the louder We bitch, and >the > >>harder they argue and > >> >look > >> >> elsewhere for a place to put the blame. >Disclaimers > >>keep you out of court, > >> >> but > >> >> court isn't the only authority people are going >to > >>have to answer to. > >> >> > >> >> I am almost pissed off at Maffatone. What a >waste. > >>Everyone said shit like > >> >> "Oh, he died doing what he loved." Fuck that > >>bullshit. He died > >> >> traumatically, scared and alone. There was >nothing > >>glamorous about his > >> >> death. He drowned. Its was simply a fucking >waste > >>of a good man, and a > >> >> veteran. He was not only a feather in the cap of > >>his friends, he was a > >> >> feather in the cap of our country. As long as > >>people accept a *needless* > >> >> death like this, and justify it because he was > >>"doing what he loved", more > >> >> are doomed to follow. Its all in the mindset, > >>people. I didn't know the > >> >man, > >> >> and imagine it would be quite a privilege to >have > >>made his acquaintance. > >> >> Those of you who did know him, will miss him. >Those > >>of us who didn't know > >> >> him are glad we don't have the pain you do. > >> >> > >> >> And for what? I cant really find any good lesson > >>from this mans death. > >> >> > >> >> People who get pissed about the list "Reasons >for > >>you strokes to shut the > >> >> fuck up and listen", will have to get used to >the > >>idea of the existence of > >> >> the list, because it is growing exponentially. >Its > >>continued growth is fed > >> >> by greed, ego, stupid pride, and politeness. > >> >> > >> >> Scott > >> >> > >> >> "MHK" <mhkane@PR*.NE*> wrote in message > >> >> > >>news:8mup78$26n4$1@ne*.ne*.pr*.co*... > >> >> > > >> >> > Given that there have been a series of recent > >>tragedies, I hope everyone > >> >> > will take an extra minute or so prior to there > >>next dive and take a look > >> >> at > >> >> > there diving.. Hopefully you'll ask yourself, >is > >>there anything I can > >> >do > >> >> to > >> >> > make this dive safer. > >> >> > > >> >> > It seems, based upon the accounts that I have > >>reviewed, that most of > >> >these > >> >> > deaths were some experienced divers. >Complacency > >>kills, and I know we > >> >> like > >> >> > to have a bunch of fun on this NG and beat >each > >>other up now and again. > >> >> But > >> >> > no matter what side of the DIR coin you side >on, > >>please take a fresh > >> >look > >> >> at > >> >> > your diving and try to remain safe.. > >> >> > > >> >> > The only remaining contribution these diver's >can > >>leave us with is that > >> >we > >> >> > can look at there mistakes and learn from >them. > >>Death is an unfortunate > >> >> > byproduct of our sport and should be looked at >as > >>a learning tool. What > >> >> can > >> >> > be learned, and how can we avoid it from > >>happening again.. > >> >> > > >> >> > My condoleseces to all the families that have > >>suffered, may they rest in > >> >> > peace.. > >> >> > > >> >> > Stay safe.... > >> >> > > >> >> > Regards > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >>-- > >>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >`techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > >_____________________________________________________ >___________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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