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Greg, You are such a hopeless idiot this does not even deserve a responce. At 07:50 AM 8/4/00 , gzambeck1 wrote: >So explain this to me Bill. >George runs his head into a stalactite and knew to wear a helmet. >JJ runs his manifold into and it breaks. >Can't they figure out to put a cage over their regulators to protect them >also? > >Greg Zambeck > >Bill Bott wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > The problem is that the "hard-headed, dumbass divers" out there think that > > this is exactly what you want. They don't understand that this is exactly > > what we are ALL trying to stop. I have been here before, more than once, > > and shit like this makes me wonder if I should laugh or cry. I still don't > > know so I sit here numb for a while before I can start screaming again. It > > does make you wonder though if Tony ever heard any of what was posted here > > and chouse to ignore it or if he never got the message. > > > > It's time for the rest of you to wake up. I no longer care who I offend > > any more. If we don't get this shit stopped soon my c-cards, my > > experience, and all the yelling in the world won't matter. They are going > > to pull the plug on the whole fucking sport. I have kept my mouth shut for > > the last year because I wanted to do nothing to jeopardizes my Instructors > > cards. I no longer give a shit about that because I can see it all coming > > to an end with a couple more of these high profile deaths. > > > > I predicted Roost's death to the dive trip. No one listened. I predicted > > Brad's death and attended his funeral that fall, a diving related > > death. No one listened. Half a dozen people predicted Tony's death with > > this bull shit rig and a dozen morons step in to defend him. Personal > > Preference is dying all around you, LITERALLY, and all we hear is it must > > have been this or that. > > > > IT IS THE BULLSHIT, CONVOLUTED, FUCKED UP GEAR AND INADEQUATE FUCKING > > TRAINING THAT IS KILLING PEOPLE AND THE AGENCIES THAT TURN THEIR FUCKING > > BACKS!!!!!!!! And because I CHOUSE to point that out I run the risk no > > longer being able to train divers who WILL live. WAKE THE FUCK UP > > PEOPLE!!! Either get with the damn program or get the fuck out of the > water. > > > > To the instructors out there, > > > > Just because a student pays you does not mean you HAVE TO certify them. I > > fact just because the damn phone rings you are NOT under any obligation to > > train them. CHOUSE YOUR STUDENTS CAREFULLY!!! You will be rewarded with > > students who live!!! Word gets around that you only take the BEST students > > and before you know it you have more of the best students than you can > handle. > > > > To the Charter Operators, > > > > Just like the Instructors you are under NO OBLIGATION to take money from > > someone. When you see someone with convoluted bull shit gear, TURN THEM > > AWAY. When someone shows up with air to do a 200' dive, TURN THEM > > AWAY. When someone shows up who looks like a heart attack waiting to > > happen, TURN THEM AWAY. > > > > This has remained a self regulating industry because the industry has > > regulated it self. That no longer seems to be the case. I don't remember > > the last time ANYONE asked me for a fucking c-card before I got on a boat > > or got an air fill. For that matter one of my instructors, who did not > > even know me at the time, never asked me for a c-card before or after he > > agreed to take me into a class. I know instructors who have given out > > cards with a lecture over dinner, did inadequate confined water and never > > even saw his students in open water. I know of instructors who have no > > idea HOW to teach a class but some how they are now instructors.. Any of > > us can get on a boat or show up at any popular dive site and see certified > > divers who haven't even begun to grasp the basics of proper kicking, > > buoyancy control or skills far more important like mask clearing and reg > > recoveries. Who the fuck is regulating this crap??? Students from basic > > open water, to cave, wreck and trimix are being pushed through without > > proper training and with piss poor skills. It is no wonder people are > > dying. If someone had properly trained Tony so many years and $100,000 ago > > would he have run out of gas on the dive that started his spending > > spree??? Would he have ever started down the path that lead to his > > unfortunate death??? The problem did not start with the $100,000 > > rig. That is where the story ends. God I feel sorry for his family. > > > > If this shit does not stop soon we will all be filling tanks from the > > Craftsman compressor in the garage to do 20 minute dives in the fucking > > bathtub because the industry will be regulated out of existence. > > > > I swear to god my OW instructor found a dozen or more ways to help me to > > loose my mask before I was certified OW. Someone was asking about the > > SCUBA equivalent of fight club... THAT WAS MAY FUCKING OW CLASS. It was > > three years before I would turn my back on my OW instructor. He felt his > > job was to prepare me for ANYTHING!!! EXCEPT FOR HIM!!! With his help I > > have done, and seen, things I never expected possible when I first walked > > into his OW class. Now I look in amazement at "twenty year veteran divers" > > who don't look as good in the water as the his divers and mine do during > > their OW checkout dives. I never feel any better than when a student comes > > back to me and says " I thought you were a prick in class but..... Thanks > > for the training!" > > > > I was trained to be a quality diver not just one of a quantity of > > divers. It's time to point this shit out and make everyone aware of the > > crap that is going on. Let these people know what a shitty job their > > instructor did. Make them question why they gave him their money in the > > first place. And most importantly get a stack of business cards from the > > best instructors you know and hand them out!!! Support the good ones and > > turn away as many as you can from the bad ones. > > > > Time to get off the soap box but damn this just burns my ass. Now all I > > need to really fuck up the week is to hear that Janet has a fucking heart > > attack while looking for Tony's missing gear. I'm praying not!!! > > > > At 09:15 AM 8/3/00 , Jim Cobb wrote: > > >I really don't like it when divers die. This saddens me greatly. > > > > > >I hope that the lesson is not lost here, but with all you hard-headed, > > >dumbass divers out there I'm sure it will be. > > > > > > Jim > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ > > > > > > > Bill (aquadart) Bott > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. Bill (aquadart) Bott -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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