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----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Ward" <chris@di*.co*> To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Oz Tek (Thought I popped this off to the list days ago) > > One man will say he's(GI)despised and the other will say feared, and it all > depends on who you're siding with as to which you say. > > I'd like to say that I believe after sifting through some of the crap being > flung back and forth, that there are some very good point to DIR, but I will > probably never be 100% DIR. Does that mean you don't even want me learning > what I can because I won't go all the way?? No one ever even hinted at anything like that. Youre not listening, your looking for a reason to feel rejected. > HeliumDiver hit on one specific point that your reply showed the folks at > DIR still haven't got yet. Presentation is everything. You should realize > that as truth because of the current status quo. How do you think the > recreational agencies got so embedded?? It's how they present that service > that makes them so popular and strong. They could never have acheived their > current strength if it wasn't for the manner in which they presented their > service. > > Please note that I keep referring to the "service" provided. That's all it > is. So let's look at the difference in which this "service" is provided: > > Rec Agency: Friendly, come learn to dive, travel to exotic places, advance > your education. > > DIR: Arrogant, If you're not DIR you're a stroke, and we don't dive with > strokes, cause strokes are gonna die and that's what we carry these body > bags for. And while all the agencies are patting each other on the rump, and spending lots of that hard earned money on fabulous dive trips to exotic destinations, a good number of us grunts are here in the trenches and on the beach teaching people with c-cards how to dive. If "We" used the same bullshit, kiss ass methods that are already being used to fleece people, no one would listen. As it is, the only people who are turned off already know everything anyway, so its no loss. People who have a clue, and who are sick of getting hosed for shit training and gear, are *starving* for the message GI and DIR put out. I have had my share of behind the back bullshit from the local IANTD cadre, simply because I am operating outside *their* established parameters. And I am doing it publicly. I am doing it with help from a *lot* of people, and the support of a whole cross section of the diving community that have woke up, smelled the coffee and now want to have a sip. No single fucking one of them will say anything to me, but they hassle my boss, and they talk shit behind my back. Funny part is, they are talking shit to people who tell me what is being said. And you know what? My response is to smile and carry on. > Now, I can see that you also promote exploration and advancing education, > but when I first started reading the posts on rec.scuba and even here, I > only saw the above description. It's taken a while and a few good > informative posts from some of your members to keep me interested. http://www.wkpp.org/articles/Gear/newgeorge.html > Let's be honest...you guys think you're better than everyone else. And for no reason at all. There are two numbers here that are important: Zero deaths and more than zero. I think staying alive, while pulling off the most extreme dives done today makes a pretty good role model for me and my diving. Pussies sending fake e-mails and attempting subtrefuge and slanderous activity from behind an anonymous moniker are deserving of respect and decency? They can have the respect of my decent boot up their ass. >Admit > it..it's okay..we all do occassionally. It's healthy to have an ego and > think you're better, or to even know it... It's when you start trying to > convince others that you'd better be ready for resistance. NO! Really? > Anyone who > stands on a platform and cries out "I'm holier than thou" is going to get it > from every angle, and that's what DIR is getting right now. Its not a matter of standing on a platform and hollering. Its a matter of people attacking because they are jealous, and their little strangle hold on the unknowing mass' is being broken. Why else would Skaggs try and post e-mail from GI to slander him? At very least, GI is up front, out in the open. And the resistance to DIR is no where near as strong as the acceptance. Proof? *Every* one of my dive buds has come around 100% in the last year. We are getting through to the people we want to get through to, and pissing off the ones we want to stay away. > If DIR were to change its apparent attitude from "we're better than everyone > else, and you're all strokes" to "we're no better than you guys. It's a > safer way of diving that enables us to perform the way we do and we'd love > to teach it to you", it would take off like you never imagined. Except that we have the assholes from IANTD and TDI saying "Dont listen to them. We have been training technical divers for longer." And "That may work well in a warm Florida cave, but it isnt worth a shit out here." IANTD *still* stuffs hoses, uses steel stages, bondage wings and all the rest of the *crap* that kills people when things go bad. > BTW, my only "incident" with DIR to date: > > Monterey DIR demo. Was going to attend, got into fracas with DIR > evangelists on rec.scuba and basically decided not to go....Scott(DIR), I dont know what Scott you were conversing with, but it wasnt me. > later found out(according to another person who wanted to go), > that personnel from competitive dive shops were blackballed. This is the polar opposite of what has been my experience. I invited all the local detractor's, to a public forum, where their compaints and objections could be fielded, *publicly* no one showed. "Why should they, they all have lifes." Yeah, as long as they get to have that life in the dark, and sling lies and innuendo from behind their curtain of cowardise. > none were > allowed to attend, at least certain ones. This doesn't sound any different > from your OzTek fiasco, other than it was inter-shop instead of > inter-agency. Regardless, I, as an individual diver, interested in seeing > your demo was not allowed to hop on your boat, because I work for a > competitive shop. I couldn't make it Saturday, because I had to work. Well, next time you want to doa DIR demo, just ping a note to the list, and I have no doubt that your call will be answered, and that someone (MHK) will bend over backwards to accomodate you. If you really want to learn, you will be accomodated, if you simply want to argue, you will be accomodated. > I'm sure you guys have heard the old saying "perception is reality". If you > get a large group of people saying you're arrogant and assholes.... then > maybe that's how they're seeing the presentation of your service. Good. That means we are doing everything right, and people are listening. "In the unlikeley event" that anyone actually shows up and asks to see/demo the gear, instead of standing around pouting about how mean everyone talks, they will start to learn about the utter frustration and the Quixote like task that has been undertaken. > I'm > talking about your obvious detractors, but the normal guys who's just > interested in hearing what you have to say on the ng's. Direct questions get answered directly. Attacks get answered in kind as well. Scott "K" DIR Links: GUE: http://www.gue.com/ WKPP: http://www.wkpp.org/ Dan Volkers Page: http://www.sfdj.com/ Undersea & Hyperbaric Medicine Society http://www.uhms.org/ Jim Cobbs Page: http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html Todd Leonards Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~toddleonard/caverig/ Halcyon: http://www.halcyon.net/ Extreme Exposure: http://www.extreme-exposure.com/ GAP: http://www.gap-software.com/ Tech list Archives: http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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