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From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
To: "gzambeck1" <gzambeck1@me*.ne*>, "Bill Bott" <aquadart@ix*.ne*.co*>
Cc: <cavers@ca*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Scooters
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:38:58 -0400
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Bill, notice the associations here: Zambeck takes Stone's drawings of a =
scooter stolen from me and puts them in a mail bomb form on the list, =
and then blubbers about changes that he does not understand, like Stone =
did. Neither has a working scooter. Greg is a TDI instructor. Greg has a =
body count. Greg does not like me. Gee, why is that?

The real deal on the scoters is that Stone's lackey, Jason Richards , =
"borrowed " the scooter form a guy who was staying with Jim Wei and made =
35 pages of "engineering drawings" while claiming he was "trying to work =
with the WKPP" - a "Stone" cold liar. I have his letter to his "team" =
and his drawings on Cis Lunar letterhead with the dates to prove his =
lies and theft of intellectual property .

Now the funny part . The scooter was the second one I ever made out of =
plastic, and was a discontinued model. Casey McKinlay owned it and sold =
it to this guy. It worked fine, but was very crude relative to what we =
have now.

We said nothing at the time until Stone built ten copies of this relic, =
and of course, they did not work at all. He is so stupid; he did not do =
the engineering calculations, but merely measured the pieces. he could =
not see how I actually joined them, and did not know that I had used the =
wrong material on the backplate  and nose. I had this material laying =
around and was not planning on that scooter going deep . We used it in =
Manatee. His scooters must have bent like a paper plate at about 180 =
feet and jammed the blades - too funny..

The real version was not ever shown him and then after I knew he had =
constructed them, I brought the entirely new design, which Zambeck has =
never seen.

Zambeck has no clue about scooters of any kind, he does not even own =
one. He is bullshit and a bird of a feather.=20

All of the real scooter ownerw out there know that to protect the value =
of their investment, they needed to not show it to Stone. They did not. =
Zambeck and Stone are a fine pair. Liars and idiots .

From: Bill Bott <aquadart@ix*.ne*.co*>
To: gzambeck1 <gzambeck1@me*.ne*>
Cc: cavers@ca*.co* <cavers@ca*.co*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com =
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Thursday, July 13, 2000 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: Scooters


    He was taking Dramamine you ass hole there were witnesses to that.  =
The family had the toxicology report sealed so all I have is witness =
statements which I have stated many times.  DAN did not even get the =
"TOX" report and they routinely get that information.  The theory is =
valid based on the available evidence.  But why explain that again.  You =
are about the only one who seems to have a problem with it.  Roost died =
when he "fell asleep" at depth, sucked his back gas dry and drown while =
taking a drug that is known to have a sedating effect.
   =20
    But alas, you are again dodging the question.  You give us the =
number Greg.  How many of your students are now dead due to a dive =
related accident?  Tell us Greg what the death count?? =20
   =20
    Then tell me Which number I made up.  Was it "I doubt if he was ever =
deeper than 230" or "probably less than 2%".  But first the body count.
   =20
   =20
   =20
    At 11:23 PM 7/12/00 , gzambeck1 wrote:
   =20
        Well billy bot I can see your still mad because your Sudafed =
theory, didn't hold up
        and now your making up numbers.  Just like a DIRT, write you =
opinion and never
        write the truth.
       =20
        Greg Zambeck
       =20
        Bill Bott wrote:
       =20
        > BULLSHIT!!!
        >
        > Roost was recently certified when he boxed!!!  If he had 80 =
trimix dives
        > when he died I'm the best diver that ever lived and you are =
still worst
        > diver I have ever heard of!! And he never faced conditions =
like those on
        > the Doria. EVER!!  320' shit I doubt if he was ever deeper =
than 230' and
        > that was on air.  I still have the picture of his license =
plate.  You know
        > Michigan plate # "DEEP AIR"  The sad part is that a few of us =
who knew
        > Richard was going on the Doria predicted his death on THAT =
trip.  When I
        > got the phone call I was about as surprised as I am every =
morning when the
        > sun rises.
        >
        > Now, you talk about changing the subject.  What is your body =
count up to
        > now you dirt bag piece of shit??  How many of your students =
are now
        > dead??  They did NOT die because "shit happens"!!!  They are =
dead because
        > you don't know HOW to conduct a safe dive let alone train =
others to dive
        > safely.
        >
        > And talk about STUPID.  Not only do you mail bomb the list but =
you do it in
        > a format that probably less than 2% of the list can even =
open!!!  What a
        > DUMB FUCK!!!
        >
        > At 12:48 PM 7/11/00 , you wrote:
        > >BILLY,  I was already in TN when Richard died on the Doria.
        > >He had 80 trimix dives to depths of 320 ft before the Doria.
        > >Your multiplication is as good as George's.
        > >But then DIRT people always write there opinion and never the =
truth.
        > >
        > >Greg Z.
        > >
        > >Bill Bott wrote:
        > >
        > > > Shit I thought you died!!!  A guy can hope can't he?  Tell =
me Greg how many
        > > > of your students have died in the past two years??  The =
body count has to
        > > > be up to at least 5 or 6 by now doesn't it?  I hear you =
scared after Roost
        > > > died and moved to Tennessee.  Are you killing students =
there now with poor
        > > > training and a lack of preparation??  Or are you doing it =
with your
        > > > bullshit mods to scooters?  Only a Zambeckian moron would =
take any advice
        > > > from you.  I pray that every member on these lists steers =
well clear of you
        > > > and any advice you give.  You are a DANGER to self and =
OTHERS!!!
        > > >
        > > > At 06:39 PM 7/10/00 , gzambeck1 wrote:
        > > > >Bruce look at the scooters on the WKPP web site.  the
        > > > >drawings show their parts and modification I would
        > > > >recommend.
        > > > >
        > > > >Greg Z.
        > > > >Just for the record I'm an engineer not an artist as GI
        > > > >says.
        > > > >
        > > > >Bruce Stewart wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > > Hi Greg,
        > > > > >
        > > >
        > > > Bill (aquadart) Bott
        >
        > Bill (aquadart) Bott
   =20
    Bill (aquadart) Bott=20

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Bill, notice the associations here: =
Zambeck=20
takes Stone's drawings of a scooter stolen from me and puts them in a =
mail bomb=20
form on the list, and then blubbers about changes that he does not =
understand,=20
like Stone did. Neither has a working scooter. Greg is a TDI instructor. =
Greg=20
has a body count. Greg does not like me. Gee, why is that?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The real deal on the scoters is that Stone's lackey, =
Jason=20
Richards , "borrowed " the scooter form a guy who was staying =
with Jim=20
Wei and made 35 pages of "engineering drawings" while claiming =
he was=20
"trying to work with the WKPP" - a "Stone" cold =
liar. I have=20
his letter to his "team" and his drawings on Cis Lunar =
letterhead with=20
the dates to prove his lies and theft of intellectual property =
..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Now the funny part . The scooter was the second one =
I ever=20
made out of plastic, and was a discontinued model. Casey McKinlay owned =
it and=20
sold it to this guy. It worked fine, but was very crude relative to what =
we have=20
now.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>We said nothing at the time until Stone built ten =
copies of=20
this relic, and of course, they did not work at all. He is so stupid; he =
did not=20
do the engineering calculations, but merely measured the pieces. he =
could not=20
see how I actually joined them, and did not know that I had used the =
wrong=20
material on the backplate  and nose. I had this material laying =
around and=20
was not planning on that scooter going deep . We used it in Manatee. His =

scooters must have bent like a paper plate at about 180 feet and jammed =
the=20
blades - too funny..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The real version was not ever shown him and then =
after I knew=20
he had constructed them, I brought the entirely new design, which =
Zambeck has=20
never seen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Zambeck has no clue about scooters of any kind, he =
does not=20
even own one. He is bullshit and a bird of a feather. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2>All of the real=20
scooter ownerw out there know that to protect the value of their =
investment,=20
they needed to not show it to Stone. They did not. Zambeck and Stone are =
a fine=20
pair. Liars and idiots .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR><B>From: </B>Bill Bott
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:aquadart@ix*.ne*.co*">aquadart@ix.netcom.com</A>><BR>=
<B>To:=20
</B>gzambeck1 <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:gzambeck1@me*.ne*">gzambeck1@mediaone.net</A>><BR>=
<B>Cc:=20
</B><A href=3D"mailto:cavers@ca*.co*">cavers@cavers.com</A>
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:cavers@ca*.co*">cavers@cavers.com</A>>; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> <<A =

href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A>><BR>=
<B>Date:=20
</B>Thursday, July 13, 2000 12:59 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re:=20
Scooters<BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"></FONT>He=20
    was taking Dramamine you ass hole there were witnesses to =
that.  The=20
    family had the toxicology report sealed so all I have is witness =
statements=20
    which I have stated many times.  DAN did not even get the=20
    "TOX" report and they routinely get that =
information.  The=20
    theory is valid based on the available evidence.  But why =
explain that=20
    again.  You are about the <B><U>only</B></U> one who seems
to =
have a=20
    problem with it.  Roost died when he "fell asleep" at =
depth,=20
    sucked his back gas dry and drown while taking a drug that is known =
to have=20
    a sedating effect.<BR><BR>But alas, you are again dodging the=20
    question.  You give us the number Greg.  How many of your =
students=20
    are now dead due to a dive related accident?  Tell us Greg what =
the=20
    death count??  <BR><BR>Then tell me Which number I made =
up.  Was=20
    it "I <FONT
color=3D#0000ff><B><U>doubt</FONT></B></U> if he =
was ever=20
    deeper than 230" or "<FONT=20
    color=3D#0000ff><B><U>probably</FONT></B></U> less than =
2%".  But=20
    first the body count.<BR><BR><BR><BR>At 11:23 PM 7/12/00 ,
gzambeck1 =

    wrote:<BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite type =3D cite>Well billy bot I can see your still =
mad=20
        because your Sudafed theory, didn't hold up<BR>and now your =
making up=20
        numbers.  Just like a DIRT, write you opinion and =
never<BR>write=20
        the truth.<BR><BR>Greg Zambeck<BR><BR>Bill Bott =
wrote:<BR><BR>>=20
        BULLSHIT!!!<BR>><BR>> Roost was recently certified when he =

        boxed!!!  If he had 80 trimix dives<BR>> when he died =
I'm the=20
        best diver that ever lived and you are still worst<BR>> diver =
I have=20
        ever heard of!! And he never faced conditions like those =
on<BR>> the=20
        Doria. EVER!!  320' shit I doubt if he was ever deeper than =
230'=20
        and<BR>> that was on air.  I still have the picture of =
his=20
        license plate.  You know<BR>> Michigan plate # =
"DEEP=20
        AIR"  The sad part is that a few of us who =
knew<BR>>=20
        Richard was going on the Doria predicted his death on THAT =
trip. =20
        When I<BR>> got the phone call I was about as surprised as I =
am every=20
        morning when the<BR>> sun rises.<BR>><BR>> Now, you =
talk about=20
        changing the subject.  What is your body count up =
to<BR>> now=20
        you dirt bag piece of shit??  How many of your students are =

        now<BR>> dead??  They did NOT die because "shit=20
        happens"!!!  They are dead because<BR>> you don't =
know HOW=20
        to conduct a safe dive let alone train others to dive<BR>>=20
        safely.<BR>><BR>> And talk about STUPID.  Not only do =
you=20
        mail bomb the list but you do it in<BR>> a format that =
probably less=20
        than 2% of the list can even open!!!  What a<BR>> DUMB=20
        FUCK!!!<BR>><BR>> At 12:48 PM 7/11/00 , you
wrote:<BR>> =

        >BILLY,  I was already in TN when Richard died on the=20
        Doria.<BR>> >He had 80 trimix dives to depths of 320 ft =
before the=20
        Doria.<BR>> >Your multiplication is as good as =
George's.<BR>>=20
        >But then DIRT people always write there opinion and never =
the=20
        truth.<BR>> ><BR>> >Greg Z.<BR>>
><BR>> =
>Bill=20
        Bott wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > > Shit I thought you=20
        died!!!  A guy can hope can't he?  Tell me Greg how=20
        many<BR>> > > of your students have died in the past =
two=20
        years??  The body count has to<BR>> > > be up to =
at least=20
        5 or 6 by now doesn't it?  I hear you scared after =
Roost<BR>>=20
        > > died and moved to Tennessee.  Are you killing =
students=20
        there now with poor<BR>> > > training and a lack of=20
        preparation??  Or are you doing it with your<BR>> > =
>=20
        bullshit mods to scooters?  Only a Zambeckian moron would =
take any=20
        advice<BR>> > > from you.  I pray that every =
member on=20
        these lists steers well clear of you<BR>> > > and any =
advice=20
        you give.  You are a DANGER to self and OTHERS!!!<BR>> =
>=20
        ><BR>> > > At 06:39 PM 7/10/00 , gzambeck1 =
wrote:<BR>>=20
        > > >Bruce look at the scooters on the WKPP web =
site. =20
        the<BR>> > > >drawings show their parts and =
modification I=20
        would<BR>> > > >recommend.<BR>> > > =
><BR>>=20
        > > >Greg Z.<BR>> > > >Just for the record =
I'm an=20
        engineer not an artist as GI<BR>> > > >says.<BR>> =
>=20
        > ><BR>> > > >Bruce Stewart wrote:<BR>> =
> >=20
        ><BR>> > > > > Hi Greg,<BR>> > > > =

        ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > Bill (aquadart)=20
        Bott<BR>><BR>> Bill (aquadart)
Bott</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Bill =
(aquadart)=20
    Bott </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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