I do believe my name was also used in that post, I have written several 
email answers to that moron Mr Black, but I never sent them to him or 
posted them. I will not be drawn into a debate by a fool.
As for Rich, I had read his  account of getting bent so bad that it almost 
took his life. He told his story of how he got away with a stuck pressure 
gauge and then turned around and did it again on his second dive which 
nearly cost him his life and almost never to walk again, if I remember the 
story right.
I think he has been bent since then, but the truth is he did not have to 
tell it at all. Most all accidents and deaths can be traced to the diver. 
Those that live will rarely steep up and expose their own mistakes(No 
matter who you are). The dead leave us guessing what went wrong, sometimes 
it is easy to figure out what happen, sometimes it is not.
  What I got from Rich was a couple of things, if he had died, he would not 
have been able to tell us of the stuck pressure gauge (only at depth) and 
we may have assumed he just ran out of air, so he open some of our eyes to 
the fact that the pressure gauge will sometimes stick at depth, giving you 
a false reading. I have now seen this happen.
In private email Rich gave me courage to post on this list my own mistake I 
made on the Doria, which could have taken my life, John Moyer was also 
helpful with this as it took a great deal of personal strength on my part 
to post something as dumb as what I did.(Thank you Rich and John) It was my 
hope that it  would keep someone else from making that same mistake. This 
list is a very abusive list, many will not post anything on this list, even 
though the number of VBtech members are growing and they are on this list, 
only 3 of us post ( Jim, Dave ,and me). Some others have stuck their nose 
out here, only to have it quickly smacked.
Since it was I who got "skin bent" and started the whole thing, what did 
I/we learn from this list about that:
1) It was pointed out that I may have spent too much time at depth for my 
planned deco :0
2) It may have been related to being cold ;0
3) It may have been caused by staying to long at my deep stops ;(
4) It may have just been my time :(
5) Getting "skin bent" has happened to those that do extreme diving
  Anyone of these, combination of any or all may have been the cause,
But the number one thing I learned off this list at that time is
Mr Black is truly a moron! :)


    At 10:28 AM 7/11/00 -0400, Trey wrote:
>Rich, a weenie dive is a weenie dive - don't expect me
>to remember all the details every time you get bent -
>I don't consider any of your dives to require more
>than a safety stop and a vivid imagination.
>
>Actually, the reference to your dives was not
>dependent on the details,but only the fact that you
>reported it. I was being accused of being an idiot for
>getting skin bends,while you were being praised for
>reporting your bends cases in the same post.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*>
>To: TechDiver List <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 7:15 AM
>Subject: Re: Hypocrisy is DCS in DIR
>
>
> >Slow down, there, Chief.  You should consider
>yourself pretty lucky that I
> >don't step in every time you lie about other people,
>or else our usual
> >"game" would dominate the traffic on the list. But
>when you lie about me
> >(=everytime you mention my name on the list), you
>know that I can't let it
> >go.  I have no recollection of ever getting bends
>symptoms after any
> >45-minute
> >dive to 90 feet.  Maybe you're confusing it with the
>time I got bends
> >symptoms
> >after a dive where I spent twice that much time at
>depths 10-40 feet deeper?
> >That
> >was a decompression dive, and I had to discard
>two-thirds of the required
> >deco due
> >to unexpectedly unfriendly "natives".
> >
> >Now, be a big boy, stick your tail between your legs,
>and leave me out of
> >it.
> >
> >Rich
> >
> >> > Jeff, you see we are considered to have an unfair
>advantage since we try
> >> to
> >> > do what it takes, not take what comes. Richie is
>easy for them to
> >identify
> >> > with - he is telling them their worst inner
>fears - they want to hear
> >it,
> >> > not that it is bullshit and we DIR. Pyle got
>paralized on a 45 minute
> >1.4
> >> > ppo2 dive at 90 feet - a no deco dive. That is
>the kind of shit they
> >love
> >> to
> >> > eat with a spoon.
> >> >
> >> > From: Jeff Bentley <jeff@be*.co*>
> >> > To: Michael J. Black <mjblackmd@ya*.co*>
> >> > Cc: Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >> > Date: Friday, June 30, 2000 8:53 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: Hypocrisy is DCS in DIR
> >> >
> >> > >Let's see.. which example should I follow?
> >> > >
> >> > >A) The DIR example where skin bends can be
>viewed as part
> >> > >   of the "learning your individual deco limits"
>process
> >> > >
> >> > >or
> >> > >
> >> > >B) The Rich Pyle example where you dive deep,
>get paralyzed,
> >> > >   and tell everyone about your screwup
> >> > >
> >> > >hmmm....
> >> > >Jeff
> >> > >
> >> > >"Michael J. Black" wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Someone's missing the point.  When DCS happens
>to DIR divers like
> >> > >> Trey and his minions, it blows DIR Myth 1 out
>of the water (DIR has
> >> > >> had NO fatalaties or accidents).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> When you DIR loudmouths preach that you've
>never been hurt (as
> >> > >> Volker once said, "not even had the slightest
>twinge") I suspect
> >> > >> you are FOS, and your DCS (slobitis)
>confessions merely prove it.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I believe Richie Pyle did us all a great
>service by posting his
> >> > >> bout with severe DCS.  You DIR guys keep
>pounding your chests about
> >> > >> how infallible you are, and then suddenly the
>truth reveals itself,
> >> > >> and you have a knipshin when MJB points out
>your hypocrisy.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> And in true DIR style, you point the finger
>and accuse someone
> >> > >> else (me) of being a hypocrite.  Sorry, but I
>don't follow your
> >> > >> logic, or lack of.  Got any more skeletons in
>your closet?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> MJB
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
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