For the Americas cup what was the defense attempt score and who has it now?
And further, what the hell does that have to do with diving? 

Changing the subject doesn't make this stink any less. And taking the same
tact you are criticizing George for doesn't either. This is a simple case of
holding on for dear life to outdated stroke bullshit. Is there a deep air
dive included with the price of admission?

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: David Blundell [mailto:daveblundell@op*.co*.au*]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 10:03 AM
To: Trey
Cc: Mike Bruic; Jarrod Jablonski; John McMillan.; bdi@wh*.ne*; Aquanaut
Mail; cavers@ca*.co*
Subject: Re: OzTek 2000


Well George,

i'm sorry that you feel that way.

i didn't think that they were trying to buy Nuclear triggers from you.

But hey, like you say I'm wrong, TDI is wrong, we are all wrong.  Silly me I
forgot that the US is never wrong.  I shall burn in hell for forgetting
that.

Do you have to speak for JJ all the time.

You might not want to come here but others might.

Come see the place where the only country in over a 100 years won the
Americas
cup off the Americans.

Such lovely clean beaches.
Perfect for a holiday, but hey you don't give a shit so you don't want to
come.


Go on, continue to educate the world from your keyboard Uncle george.

..

Trey wrote:

> No, you are full of shit and you are missing the point - they made a deal
an
> reneged - that guy will get no second chance - we do not deal with
scumbags,
> and Richard Taylor is a deadbeat and a scumbag. You can call it what you
> want, it is a renege on a business deal.
>
> There is no "reason" that can justify behavior like this, so quit trying.
> You are wrong.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Blundell <daveblundell@op*.co*.au*>
> To: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>; Jarrod Jablonski <JJ@gu*.co*>
> Cc: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>; John McMillan. <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>;
> bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aquanaut.com>;
> cavers@ca*.co* <cavers@ca*.co*>
> Date: Thursday, July 06, 2000 10:25 AM
> Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
>
> >Guys,
> >
> >For christ's sake get the bloody facts right.
> >
> >1   We have nothing to do with TDI  full stop.
> >
> >2    Couldn't give a toss who put on the show.  TDI, IANTD, GUE, PADI -
who
> >cares!!!!!
> >
> >3  We are divers who would go to any bloody show, because it is about
> diving,
> >not about bullshit on the internet.
> >
> >We  pay our money we go.  If next year you guys come, we pay our money we
> go
> >
> >It is so simple maybe I should spell it out on the side of a tank.
> >
> >Richard organized the show, and he his doing a great job.  When nobody
else
> does
> >it or wants to do it.  Is it any wonder.
> >
> >You factual information Research Engineers  (Known as bullshit artists in
> Aust.)
> >living on the other side of the world have no bloody idea.
> >
> >Look at the bloody programme, and tell us all how to fit every single
> person who
> >has
> >contributed to diving since its conception in to a single weekend, like
> some of
> >you suggest.
> >
> >I and a lot of us would have like to have met JJ, from what we hear he is
a
> >reasonable bloke who hasn't got his head up his arse.  JJ coming over
fell
> apart
> >and that's a pity.  But I don't really care as to why as we all know that
> it has
> >nothing to do with DIR or similar bullshit reasons.  If you lot hadn't
> jumped on
> >the band wagon  and carried on, then one would like to think that JJ and
> others
> >would accept an invitation to come here next year.
> >
> >You lot have it so wrong that it is sad and unfortunate.
> >
> >To JJ, I am sorry that it didn't work out.  Australia is a nice place and
> you
> >would have enjoyed it.  Hopefully you can see above the bullshit and be
> able to
> >come here in the near future.  It has nothing to do with TDI or anti DIR.
> >
> >We have not had any shows like this for many years, and this is the
second
> one
> >we have had recently.  if it works out, and Richard doesn't burn out then
> maybe
> >there might be another next year.
> >
> >Hopefully we may see you then
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >
> >Dave.
> >
> >Mike Bruic wrote:
> >
> >> John, by your own admission, it seems like JJ will not be at the Oz
> Stroke
> >> Festival because of politics, and politics alone.
> >>
> >> You wrote;
> >>
> >> >>Stick to diving your way and leave the
> >> > >politics alone until you know what you are talking about.
> >>
> >> John, this says "everything" about you, and TDI. It would seem that you
> >> clowns are scarred of showing the people of Australia the real deal in
> >> diving in fear of loosing profit. Op's, I'm sorry, I forgot, you guys
are
> >> all about profit, profit, profit and nothing else but profit with piss
> poor
> >> instructors in my judgement after looking at your safety record (death
> >> toll).
> >>
> >> Bruic
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> >> To: John McMillan. <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>; <bdi@wh*.ne*>;
Aquanaut
> Mail
> >> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >> Cc: <cavers@ca*.co*>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 6:09 PM
> >> Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
> >>
> >> > John, you are way off base here. Let's look at the facts; your TDI
boy
> >> > arranged a conference. JJ was asked to speak. The conference promised
> to
> >> pay
> >> > all of his expenses.
> >> >
> >> > JJ agreed, and he made his arrangements, and adjusted his schedule
> >> > accordingly. He is a man of his word, and thought he was dealing with
> >> like.
> >> >
> >> > HE WAS NOT. He was dealing with bullshit. This is not politics,  this
> is
> >> bad
> >> > business and an example of what I have been saying about these people
> all
> >> > along, and once again, we are proven correct.
> >> >
> >> > Richard Taylor is a deadbeat and a liar, and you are no better for
> >> defending
> >> > behavior like this. There is no excuse for being lying scumbag, John,
> but
> >> if
> >> > you want to try to tell me a good one, go ahead and put it on here
for
> all
> >> > to see and judge.
> >> >
> >> > You guys are not fooling anyone .
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: John McMillan. <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>
> >> > To: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; trey@ne*.co* <trey@ne*.co*>;
> Aquanaut
> >> > Mail <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >> > Cc: cavers@ca*.co* <cavers@ca*.co*>
> >> > Date: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 4:25 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >Billy you couldn't lie straight in bed. All you are doing here is
> fucking
> >> > up
> >> > >something you know nothing about. Stick to diving your way and leave
> the
> >> > >politics alone until you know what you are talking about.
> >> > >
> >> > >Johnny Mack
> >> > >Down Under.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > >From: <bdi@wh*.ne*>
> >> > >To: <trey@ne*.co*>; Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >> > >Cc: <cavers@ca*.co*>
> >> > >Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:17 AM
> >> > >Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >> At 08:26  2/07/00 , Trey wrote:
> >> > >> >Jarrod, is it true the  organizer of Oztec 2000 is the local head
> of
> >> > TDI?
> >> > >Is
> >> > >> >it true that he is a deep air fan? Is it also true that he was on
> the
> >> > >boat
> >> > >> >when Rob Palmer died?
> >> > >> >Is it true that this Oztec had Batman as its star speaker last
> year,
> >> and
> >> > >> >that this year they have his wannabe little brother and a list of
> >> > strokes
> >> > >> >that would bring tears of laughter to an American audience?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >JJ, sounds like you got lucky. Unfortunately , anyone who wanted
> the
> >> > real
> >> > >> >deal got fucked, but then if anyone thought they were going to
get
> any
> >> > >> >different out of TDI, well then they need to see PT Barnum.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Trey, I forwarded JJ's note to the Australian cave diving list
> >> > >> and got a fairly rapid response from the head of TDI Australia
> >> > >> (organisers of OzTec 2000). Well, a couple of responses actually.
> >> > >> One public, and one private one.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> In his public response, the local TDI head wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>  > "Tell you what Billy, you give the $2500 to get them here and
> >> > >>  > I will help you organise another show. Aside from that, it is
> >> > >>  > none of your business."
> >> > >>
> >> > >> So he won't take JJ & Robert's money but he'll take mine, and
> >> > >> it's still none of my business. And JJ and Robert still aren't
> >> > >> welcome.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> So here, publically, I'm offering the $2,500 for him to put
> >> > >> Jarrod and Robert back on the programme and back in the show,
> >> > >> under the previously agreed terms, if he hasn't managed to piss
> >> > >> them off completely.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> But I don't think this is about money. I think that's a smoke-
> >> > >> screen. JJ already offered him the money and still got refused.
> >> > >> I think there's another agenda running here. When I asked the
> >> > >> TDI guy how hard Guilliam was pulling his string, he got very
> >> > >> excited. Even asked me to go round and visit him. I said that
> >> > >> wasn't necessary 'cause I'd be quite happy to hear his confession
> >> > >> by email.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> There's too much hubris round these people. I can't forget that
> >> > >> when these same people had the opportunity to finally disassociate
> >> > >> glamour and deep air diving when Rob Palmer killed himself, they
> >> > >> lied instead.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Anyway there's eight of us DIR divers in Sydney who regularly
> >> > >> charter boats and dive together. If anyone in Sydney wants to
> >> > >> bypass the bullshit and the run-around and go straight to the
> >> > >> real stuff email me. We can arrange DIR-friendly training,
> >> > >> equipment that isn't priced to make your nose bleed, sound deco
> >> > >> advice,good fun diving with people who tell the truth. and,
> >> > >> (as the t-shirt says):
> >> > >>
> >> > >>        no deep air no personal preference
> >> > >>       no stuffed hose no bondage wings no
> >> > >>       air bail-out no steel slings no dual
> >> > >>       bladders no wrong deco no stroke mix
> >> > >>         no tom no brett no bazza no rt
> >> > >>               N O  S T R O K E S !!!
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Life's too short and there's too much ocean to dive for all
> >> > >> the underhand stuff.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> rgrds        billyw
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> >->>>From: Jarrod Jablonski <JJ@gu*.co*>
> >> > >> > >>>To: Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*
> >> > >> > >>><Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*>; quest@gu*.co*
> >> > ><quest@gu*.co*>
> >> > >> > >>>Date: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:47 AM
> >> > >> > >>>Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
> >> > >> > >>>
> >> > >> > >>>
> >> > >> > >>> >This one is classic.
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>> >They ask me six or more months ago to present and I
committed
> to
> >>
> >> > >the
> >> > >> > >date.
> >> > >> > >>> >Leaving the country during prime exploration is not
something
> I
> >> > >take
> >> > >> > >>> >lightly and I pushed several other obligations away, kept
the
> >> spot
> >> > >open
> >> > >> > >>> >despite several good opportunities, and promised my
> girlfriend a
> >> > >trip
> >> > >> >to
> >> > >> > >>> >Australia.
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>> >They had agreed to pay my way over or to have the company
> >> sponsor
> >> > >the
> >> > >> > >event
> >> > >> > >>> >and get a free booth. We agreed to the latter.
> >> > >> > >>> >Then two weeks before departure they send me a mail that
says
> we
> >> > >have
> >> > >> > >>> >pulled your speaking spot because we no longer feel we can
> >> > properly
> >> > >> > >support
> >> > >> > >>> >your presence. In essence the show is not doing well enough
> to
> >> let
> >> > >you
> >> > >> > >have
> >> > >> > >>> >a booth but we are too crowded to make a free space for
you.
> >> > Rather
> >> > >> > >>> >oxymoronic. Of course none of this applied to any speakers
> other
> >> > >than
> >> > >> > >>>myslef.
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>> >Feeling pretty certain what games where being played I then
> >> > >volunteered
> >> > >> > >to
> >> > >> > >>> >pay my own way, and asked about buying a booth. Their
> response.
> >> No
> >> > >> > >>>thanks<G>
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>> >Personally the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth
but
> I
> >> am
> >> > >sure
> >> > >> > >>> >that I can find a way to occupy the time with diving and
now
> I
> >> > have
> >> > >a
> >> > >> > >>> >better feel for the political games being played by people
> >> > >seemingly
> >> > >> > >afraid
> >> > >> > >>> >of information. However, I missed the opportunity to meet
> people
> >> > >> > >interested
> >> > >> > >>> >in diving outside of politics and I have an angry
girlfriend.
> We
> >> > >plan
> >> > >> >to
> >> > >> > >>> >come over on our own in the near future for some DIR
> >> > >demonstrations.
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>> >Politics at its best.
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>> >Best,
> >> > >> > >>> >JJ
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>> >At 07:47 AM 6/26/2000 +1100,
> >> > >Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*
> >> > >> > >wrote:
> >> > >> > >>> >>Does any one have any idea why JJ and Robert are no longer
> >> coming
> >> > >to
> >> > >> > >OzTek
> >> > >> > >>> >>2000 in Melbourne next month.
> >> > >> > >>> >>
> >> > >> > >>> >>We were all looking forward to seeing and hearing from
them
> >> both
> >> > >and
> >> > >> > >now
> >> > >> > >>> >>nothing...
> >> > >> > >>> >>
> >> > >> > >>> >>
> >> > >> > >>>
> >> >
> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > >> > >>> >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co*
> >> > >> > >>> >>For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co*
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>> >Jarrod Jablonski
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>> >President-
> >> > >> > >>> >Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com
> >> > >> > >>> >CEO Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com
> >> > >> > >>> >VP Halcyon Manufacturing www.halcyon.net,
> www.browniedive.com,
> >> > >> > >>>www.tankfill.com
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>> >Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com
> >> > >> > >>> >GUE is a non-profit educational, research, and exploratory
> >> > >organization
> >> > >> > >>> >with hundreds of dedicated members around the world.
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>> >Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com
> >> > >> > >>> >Extreme Exposure and Halcyon manufacturing produce some of
> the
> >> > >scuba
> >> > >> > >>> >industry's most novel and robust diving equipment designed
by
> >> many
> >> > >of
> >> > >> > >>> >diving's most active explorers.
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>>
> >> >
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > >> > >>> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co*
> >> > >> > >>> >For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co*
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>> >
> >> > >> > >>>
> >> > >> > >>>
> >> > >> >
> >> >
> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > >> > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co*
> >> > >> > >>>For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co*
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >>Jarrod Jablonski
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >>President-
> >> > >> > >>Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com
> >> > >> > >>CEO Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com
> >> > >> > >>VP Halcyon Manufacturing www.halcyon.net, www.browniedive.com,
> >> > >> > >www.tankfill.com
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >>Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com
> >> > >> > >>GUE is a non-profit educational, research, and exploratory
> >> > >organization
> >> > >> > >>with hundreds of dedicated members around the world.
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >>Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com
> >> > >> > >>Extreme Exposure and Halcyon manufacturing produce some of the
> >> scuba
> >> > >> > >>industry's most novel and robust diving equipment designed by
> many
> >> of
> >> > >> > >>diving's most active explorers.
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >--
> >> > >> > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to
> >> > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
> >> > >> > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to
> >> > >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >--
> >> > >> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to
> >> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
> >> > >> >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to
> >> `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
--
Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.

Navigate by Author: [Previous] [Next] [Author Search Index]
Navigate by Subject: [Previous] [Next] [Subject Search Index]

[Send Reply] [Send Message with New Topic]

[Search Selection] [Mailing List Home] [Home]