If the ones calling bullshit are the ones that have it wrong, then why did
JJ already have the plans made and schedule rearranged to go and then the
show cancelled him? I could understand your point if JJ iniitiated his
appearance and it was determined that there was some reason for excluding
him, but this was the other way around. Who's got their "arse" where on this
one?

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: David Blundell [mailto:daveblundell@op*.co*.au*]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 9:25 AM
To: Mike Bruic; Jarrod Jablonski
Cc: Trey; John McMillan.; bdi@wh*.ne*; Aquanaut Mail; cavers@ca*.co*
Subject: Re: OzTek 2000


Guys,

For christ's sake get the bloody facts right.

1   We have nothing to do with TDI  full stop.

2    Couldn't give a toss who put on the show.  TDI, IANTD, GUE, PADI - who
cares!!!!!

3  We are divers who would go to any bloody show, because it is about
diving,
not about bullshit on the internet.

We  pay our money we go.  If next year you guys come, we pay our money we go

It is so simple maybe I should spell it out on the side of a tank.

Richard organized the show, and he his doing a great job.  When nobody else
does
it or wants to do it.  Is it any wonder.

You factual information Research Engineers  (Known as bullshit artists in
Aust.)
living on the other side of the world have no bloody idea.

Look at the bloody programme, and tell us all how to fit every single person
who
has
contributed to diving since its conception in to a single weekend, like some
of
you suggest.

I and a lot of us would have like to have met JJ, from what we hear he is a
reasonable bloke who hasn't got his head up his arse.  JJ coming over fell
apart
and that's a pity.  But I don't really care as to why as we all know that it
has
nothing to do with DIR or similar bullshit reasons.  If you lot hadn't
jumped on
the band wagon  and carried on, then one would like to think that JJ and
others
would accept an invitation to come here next year.

You lot have it so wrong that it is sad and unfortunate.

To JJ, I am sorry that it didn't work out.  Australia is a nice place and
you
would have enjoyed it.  Hopefully you can see above the bullshit and be able
to
come here in the near future.  It has nothing to do with TDI or anti DIR.

We have not had any shows like this for many years, and this is the second
one
we have had recently.  if it works out, and Richard doesn't burn out then
maybe
there might be another next year.

Hopefully we may see you then

Regards


Dave.

Mike Bruic wrote:

> John, by your own admission, it seems like JJ will not be at the Oz Stroke
> Festival because of politics, and politics alone.
>
> You wrote;
>
> >>Stick to diving your way and leave the
> > >politics alone until you know what you are talking about.
>
> John, this says "everything" about you, and TDI. It would seem that you
> clowns are scarred of showing the people of Australia the real deal in
> diving in fear of loosing profit. Op's, I'm sorry, I forgot, you guys are
> all about profit, profit, profit and nothing else but profit with piss
poor
> instructors in my judgement after looking at your safety record (death
> toll).
>
> Bruic
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> To: John McMillan. <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>; <bdi@wh*.ne*>; Aquanaut
Mail
> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Cc: <cavers@ca*.co*>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 6:09 PM
> Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
>
> > John, you are way off base here. Let's look at the facts; your TDI boy
> > arranged a conference. JJ was asked to speak. The conference promised to
> pay
> > all of his expenses.
> >
> > JJ agreed, and he made his arrangements, and adjusted his schedule
> > accordingly. He is a man of his word, and thought he was dealing with
> like.
> >
> > HE WAS NOT. He was dealing with bullshit. This is not politics,  this is
> bad
> > business and an example of what I have been saying about these people
all
> > along, and once again, we are proven correct.
> >
> > Richard Taylor is a deadbeat and a liar, and you are no better for
> defending
> > behavior like this. There is no excuse for being lying scumbag, John,
but
> if
> > you want to try to tell me a good one, go ahead and put it on here for
all
> > to see and judge.
> >
> > You guys are not fooling anyone .
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John McMillan. <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>
> > To: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; trey@ne*.co* <trey@ne*.co*>;
Aquanaut
> > Mail <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Cc: cavers@ca*.co* <cavers@ca*.co*>
> > Date: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 4:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
> >
> >
> > >Billy you couldn't lie straight in bed. All you are doing here is
fucking
> > up
> > >something you know nothing about. Stick to diving your way and leave
the
> > >politics alone until you know what you are talking about.
> > >
> > >Johnny Mack
> > >Down Under.
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <bdi@wh*.ne*>
> > >To: <trey@ne*.co*>; Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > >Cc: <cavers@ca*.co*>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:17 AM
> > >Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
> > >
> > >
> > >> At 08:26  2/07/00 , Trey wrote:
> > >> >Jarrod, is it true the  organizer of Oztec 2000 is the local head of
> > TDI?
> > >Is
> > >> >it true that he is a deep air fan? Is it also true that he was on
the
> > >boat
> > >> >when Rob Palmer died?
> > >> >Is it true that this Oztec had Batman as its star speaker last year,
> and
> > >> >that this year they have his wannabe little brother and a list of
> > strokes
> > >> >that would bring tears of laughter to an American audience?
> > >> >
> > >> >JJ, sounds like you got lucky. Unfortunately , anyone who wanted the
> > real
> > >> >deal got fucked, but then if anyone thought they were going to get
any
> > >> >different out of TDI, well then they need to see PT Barnum.
> > >>
> > >> Trey, I forwarded JJ's note to the Australian cave diving list
> > >> and got a fairly rapid response from the head of TDI Australia
> > >> (organisers of OzTec 2000). Well, a couple of responses actually.
> > >> One public, and one private one.
> > >>
> > >> In his public response, the local TDI head wrote:
> > >>
> > >>  > "Tell you what Billy, you give the $2500 to get them here and
> > >>  > I will help you organise another show. Aside from that, it is
> > >>  > none of your business."
> > >>
> > >> So he won't take JJ & Robert's money but he'll take mine, and
> > >> it's still none of my business. And JJ and Robert still aren't
> > >> welcome.
> > >>
> > >> So here, publically, I'm offering the $2,500 for him to put
> > >> Jarrod and Robert back on the programme and back in the show,
> > >> under the previously agreed terms, if he hasn't managed to piss
> > >> them off completely.
> > >>
> > >> But I don't think this is about money. I think that's a smoke-
> > >> screen. JJ already offered him the money and still got refused.
> > >> I think there's another agenda running here. When I asked the
> > >> TDI guy how hard Guilliam was pulling his string, he got very
> > >> excited. Even asked me to go round and visit him. I said that
> > >> wasn't necessary 'cause I'd be quite happy to hear his confession
> > >> by email.
> > >>
> > >> There's too much hubris round these people. I can't forget that
> > >> when these same people had the opportunity to finally disassociate
> > >> glamour and deep air diving when Rob Palmer killed himself, they
> > >> lied instead.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway there's eight of us DIR divers in Sydney who regularly
> > >> charter boats and dive together. If anyone in Sydney wants to
> > >> bypass the bullshit and the run-around and go straight to the
> > >> real stuff email me. We can arrange DIR-friendly training,
> > >> equipment that isn't priced to make your nose bleed, sound deco
> > >> advice,good fun diving with people who tell the truth. and,
> > >> (as the t-shirt says):
> > >>
> > >>        no deep air no personal preference
> > >>       no stuffed hose no bondage wings no
> > >>       air bail-out no steel slings no dual
> > >>       bladders no wrong deco no stroke mix
> > >>         no tom no brett no bazza no rt
> > >>               N O  S T R O K E S !!!
> > >>
> > >> Life's too short and there's too much ocean to dive for all
> > >> the underhand stuff.
> > >>
> > >> rgrds        billyw
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >->>>From: Jarrod Jablonski <JJ@gu*.co*>
> > >> > >>>To: Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*
> > >> > >>><Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*>; quest@gu*.co*
> > ><quest@gu*.co*>
> > >> > >>>Date: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:47 AM
> > >> > >>>Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> >This one is classic.
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> >They ask me six or more months ago to present and I committed
to
>
> > >the
> > >> > >date.
> > >> > >>> >Leaving the country during prime exploration is not something
I
> > >take
> > >> > >>> >lightly and I pushed several other obligations away, kept the
> spot
> > >open
> > >> > >>> >despite several good opportunities, and promised my girlfriend
a
> > >trip
> > >> >to
> > >> > >>> >Australia.
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> >They had agreed to pay my way over or to have the company
> sponsor
> > >the
> > >> > >event
> > >> > >>> >and get a free booth. We agreed to the latter.
> > >> > >>> >Then two weeks before departure they send me a mail that says
we
> > >have
> > >> > >>> >pulled your speaking spot because we no longer feel we can
> > properly
> > >> > >support
> > >> > >>> >your presence. In essence the show is not doing well enough to
> let
> > >you
> > >> > >have
> > >> > >>> >a booth but we are too crowded to make a free space for you.
> > Rather
> > >> > >>> >oxymoronic. Of course none of this applied to any speakers
other
> > >than
> > >> > >>>myslef.
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> >Feeling pretty certain what games where being played I then
> > >volunteered
> > >> > >to
> > >> > >>> >pay my own way, and asked about buying a booth. Their
response.
> No
> > >> > >>>thanks<G>
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> >Personally the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth but
I
> am
> > >sure
> > >> > >>> >that I can find a way to occupy the time with diving and now I
> > have
> > >a
> > >> > >>> >better feel for the political games being played by people
> > >seemingly
> > >> > >afraid
> > >> > >>> >of information. However, I missed the opportunity to meet
people
> > >> > >interested
> > >> > >>> >in diving outside of politics and I have an angry girlfriend.
We
> > >plan
> > >> >to
> > >> > >>> >come over on our own in the near future for some DIR
> > >demonstrations.
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> >Politics at its best.
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> >Best,
> > >> > >>> >JJ
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> >At 07:47 AM 6/26/2000 +1100,
> > >Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*
> > >> > >wrote:
> > >> > >>> >>Does any one have any idea why JJ and Robert are no longer
> coming
> > >to
> > >> > >OzTek
> > >> > >>> >>2000 in Melbourne next month.
> > >> > >>> >>
> > >> > >>> >>We were all looking forward to seeing and hearing from them
> both
> > >and
> > >> > >now
> > >> > >>> >>nothing...
> > >> > >>> >>
> > >> > >>> >>
> > >> > >>>
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> > >> > >>> >Jarrod Jablonski
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> >President-
> > >> > >>> >Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com
> > >> > >>> >CEO Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com
> > >> > >>> >VP Halcyon Manufacturing www.halcyon.net, www.browniedive.com,
> > >> > >>>www.tankfill.com
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> >Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com
> > >> > >>> >GUE is a non-profit educational, research, and exploratory
> > >organization
> > >> > >>> >with hundreds of dedicated members around the world.
> > >> > >>> >
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> > >scuba
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> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>President-
> > >> > >>Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com
> > >> > >>CEO Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com
> > >> > >>VP Halcyon Manufacturing www.halcyon.net, www.browniedive.com,
> > >> > >www.tankfill.com
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com
> > >> > >>GUE is a non-profit educational, research, and exploratory
> > >organization
> > >> > >>with hundreds of dedicated members around the world.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com
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> scuba
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> of
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