Phi, the Cis lunar has had a few deaths, as has the Draeger. When you take
deaths, accidents, and near misses, the Inspiration is by far leading the
pack.

If the Cis cost nothing like the Inspiration, it would still have a better
record due to the forced extra training involved, even though the same moron
teaches it. Time on the job tends to get one over the easy hurdles.

Then they are all on an even keel - same bullshit sensor problems, but one
tends to not get caught by the obvious problems, only by the more insidious
ones, which means trying harder dives, and then you are back to the
motorcycle analogy - ride one enough in the rain and you WILL get killed.

Also, most of these types do everything they can in as convoluted a fashion
as possible, most do not know what the word "buddy" means, and most are
physical misfits of the worst order who are trying to prove something an
show could not dive a bathtub with scuba, so "track" record on rebreathers
is like track record of porno stars in Bangkok - who can keep count?
-----Original Message-----
From: Phi Le <phi@sk*.be*>
To: Karl.W.Kramer@ph*.un*.de*
<Karl.W.Kramer@ph*.un*.de*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 5:50 AM
Subject: RE: Inspiration death AGAIN!


>Karl,
>
>I still think that 8 deaths in 3 years by a single RB where the divers were
>not being shot at (like MK-15, LAR-V, etc.) is still the highest. Do we
have
>any number of deaths in the first 3 years for the Dolphin, BioMarines,
>Cis-Lunar, Prism or Halcyon ? I would bet that it is a lot lower or none
>existed.
>
>I still can't believe that you think 8 deaths in 3 years is acceptable
based
>on any reason. I didn't think there is an acceptable ratio of number of
>deaths versus number of dives being done.
>
>You might be right about the quality of training that has something to do
>with it as well. But that's also involving the manufacturer since they
>approve of which agency allow to train the divers. Is it only IANTD allowed
>to train divers on the Inspiration ?
>
>How many deaths involved the Pinto (blown up when hit from behind) before
it
>was recalled instead of blaming the driving instructors ?
>
>The first death was a few years back, nothing was done. More people died,
>and now the blame is on bad luck ?
>
>Anyway, I am not going to ask any more. You guys are not going to do
>anything, but just blaming the divers on age/attitude/drysuit/luck. We'll
>see how that hold up in court.
>
>-Phi
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Karl.W.Kramer@ph*.un*.de*
>[mailto:Karl.W.Kramer@ph*.un*.de*]
>Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 5:31 PM
>To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
>Subject: RE: Inspiration death AGAIN!
>
>
>From:           "Phi Le" <phi@SK*.BE*>
>
>> Karl,
>>
>> Just want to make sure I understood you correctly...
>>
>> Are you saying that the Inspiration group has the highest ratio of
>> badluck-old-poorlytrained-badattitude-shittydrysuit divers, and that's
why
>> they  have the highest death ratio of the last 3 years ?
>
>Phi,
>look what is dived !
>
>A rebreather that has a sales rate close to zero
>and of wich the sold units are mostly 'used'
>as dust catchers can easy have a low total number of accidents.
>The safest rebreather is the one with the lowest bodycount
>per dive, NOT simply the one with the lowest total number of fatalities.
>So: what dive counts were reached by other rebreathers
>in thier first 3 years ?
>
>When You ask me about the quality of training I have to
>send you back to those agencies where the dead received
>thier training. I'm only willing to speak with but not about agencies.
>
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