I would like to thank all of you who have taken the time to counter the
dangerous idiocy and misinformation of Dr. "Joe" Black ( "Meet Mr Black " )
which is put out under the stamp of "Michael, Black , Md", a travesty in
itself.

 This guy is an example of the output of current dive training in the US -
fucking pathetic - and the mindset of ignorance that pervades diving today .

-----Original Message-----
From: wendell grogan <wgrogan@dc*.ne*>
To: Joel Markwell <joeldm@mi*.co*>
Cc: Randy F. Milak <milak@x5*.ne*>; Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Saturday, June 17, 2000 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: HEADACHES WHILE DIVING


>Two quick thoughts.  The only increase in bleeding risk you get from
>combining aspirin and ibuprofen or any of the related drugs is in what
>it does to your stomach.  If your gut can stand all the irritation, you
>should be OK.
>In terms of "masking" DCS.  No.
>These drugs actually get to the root of the symptoms.  They stop DCS
>symptoms because they block a key part of the illness.  If you have
>symptoms despite taking these drugs, seek treatment.  If you don't have
>symptoms, you probably don't have DCS.  This is not like taking morphine
>to prevent pain from a stab wound.  Its more like taking quinine to
>prevent malaria.
>BTW, I'm going diving in the deep blue for a week!
>Later guys!
>Wendell G
>
>
>> Wendell,
>>
>> That is what I've suspected. It's been said for years that aspirin was
>> "maybe" an aid--probably a very small one--for the prevention of DCS.
That
>> some aggressive divers are taking it and other such over-the-counter
>> medications isn't surprising given the insidious and unpredictable nature
of
>> DCS.
>>
>> The conclusion I read everywhere is that there isn't enough research,
>> there's only a intelligent-guess suspicion that it works. If it has been
>> "long recommended" as SOP for deco diving, who has recommended it and
what
>> do they base that recommendation on? I'd still like to see research that
>> definitively says, "aspirin and ibuprofen can reduce the risk of DCS."
>>
>> There is research, but within the research I've seen there are probably
as
>> many new questions as there are answers. The best anyone can say is that
>> aspirin ought to be beneficial. As to dosage, I did read in at least one
>> diving medicine document that as little as 1/4 of a normal tablet of
aspirin
>> will provide the full platelet effect.
>>
>> Ibuprofen affects platelets too, but in a different way. Do you think
that
>> there is any concern at all for divers who are taking larger doses of
>> aspirin and ibuprofen together? I've seen one person suggest that he
takes
>> 800 mg predive and an additional 800 mg every four hours of ibuprofen and
an
>> unstated amount of aspirin as well.
>>
>> How big is the bleeding concern for this type of dosage? And to restate
my
>> previous concern, is there any concern at all that dosages like this
could
>> mask subtle DCS symptoms and thereby delay treatment?
>>
>> This isn't a zero-sum game. If it actually works and its been proven that
it
>> does then it's a good thing for all deco divers within the boundaries of
>> risk that I suggest.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> JoeL
>
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