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oh i see you prefer to have the air in the feet of your drysuit? that makes sense. Personally i see the drysuit and doubles as complementary tools. I dont have a problem with having a majority of your weight being unditchable when you have first stage redundancy and abilty to access all your bottom gas. However with a single tank i see the dive as more recreational in nature and accordingly ditchable weight is more appropriate.Additionally i hesitate to recommend a gear solution< change the type of weight> to accomodate a skills defincincy< cant use weight belt properly> rgds, Al marvelli Jim Cobb wrote: > Weight belt for wetsuits. Weight belt fucks up the airflow in your drysuit > and is a failure point. I hate weight belts. > > Jim > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ > > > From: Al Marvelli <ajmarve@ba*.ne*> > > Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:24:40 -0400 > > To: Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*> > > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > Subject: Re: Weights > > > > I dont mean to flame Paul personally but I have to ask some simple questions > > here. > > > > Why is the weight belt not ideal? its cheap, easy to learn, and found > > everywhere. > > > > The belt gives you a built in failure indicator< if you are paying attnetion > > you can feel it slip, and thats easy to correct on your own> and if its > > under you crotch stap has a built in anti ditch safety. > > > > and also > > > > what is the facination with non ditchable weight? > > > > especially on a rig that is limited to no stop diving by definition?? > > > > I can understand its significance on a deco dive, but you all do realize > > that if your worst fears come true and you undergo a buoyant ascent , you > > are merely performing skills practice?? That evey agency has blow and go as > > its last resort for ndl diving? > > > > have any of you removed your weights during a dive? what was the result? I > > had my belt off three times in front of the class i was helping with tonite, > > no problem with an al 80 with an al plate and a 1/4 suit in 12 ft of water, > > i had plenty of time to dump the bc and remain with my weight belt with just > > a little effort. Are we all just not paying attention? > > > > worried about buckle failure? wear two. > > > > We are not even going to get into the pony bottle, but fyi my understanding > > of hogarthian means ultra minimal as in no reserve gas, even in overhead. > > and of course the bottle is unnecessary for anything, you can either blow > > and go or you cant and if you cant you need a real redundant system, not 13 > > freaking cu ft. This w/e i was forced to dive off the bow b/c the customers > > used up all the rack space with their pony bottles filled with nitrox too > > hot for the bottom< typical, they have all been hosed and regard dir as > > internet bs>and then i had to endure the shop owners bitching about my > > doubles being too much gear for the dives< which they were, but i needed > > them empty and gas costs money so i aint freaking wasting it>so i am ready > > for all comers on this pony bullshit. > > > > You dont need a pony bottle unless you are solo diving without a plan. > > > > Think it through people. > > > > Al Marvelli > > > > PS if those two quarry guys dont send me snail addresses ill never be able > > to mail them schedules and since i lost my inbox i dont havetheir e > > addresses, so get back to me fellas. > > > > Paul Braunbehrens wrote: > > > >> OK, I went through tons of archives last night, trying to get to the > >> bottom of this. First, let me tell you my setup. I'm diving a > >> backplate and wings, with a drysuit, and (for now) a single tank and > >> a pony bottle. Leaving enough air in my suit so I can still move and > >> do a safety stop at the end of a dive, I need 17 pounds on my belt (I > >> dive in cold water). > >> > >> Right now this weight is on my weight belt, which is ok but not ideal. > >> > >> Perusing the archives, it seems the consensus is to make a V weight > >> for at least some of this. Let's say it will weigh about 9 Pounds. > >> This still leaves 8 pounds. I could then either leave that on my > >> weight belt, or I could put it in the Halcyon weight pouches. I > >> assume that when I go to doubles I won't need most of it anymore? > >> Also, DiveRite sells a "trim weight" that will fit between the bolts > >> on the backplate. I was thinking of this as an option. > >> > >> Also, I read a lot of posts saying the canister light is 6 pounds > >> negative (or thereabouts). Mine is 1.5 pounds negative, which means > >> I have to account for that weight somewhere. > >> > >> One post I read which made a lot of sense, said that you should have > >> about 5 or 6 pounds of ditchable weight (if any). When you ditch > >> your weight you don't want to become so positive as to end up in > >> lunar orbit. > >> > >> I would like to get as close to hogarthian as possible before moving > >> to doubles, so any help is appreciated. I'm even moving my canister > >> back on my harness (I had it upside down and attached to the > >> backplate, but I find that it has a tendency to sit on the wiring > >> connection...not good). > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> -- > >> Paul Braunbehrens mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co* > >> http://www.daw-mac.com Mailing list for digital audio on the mac > >> -- > >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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