on 6/7/00 12:02 AM, Trey at trey@ne*.co* wrote:

> Joel, the answer is simple - shit training and bad practices. These guys
> teach stroke, so defend it and hide it.

Trey,

I'm operating on the notion that everyone can change and that change is
often good. If a result of this conversation is unrestricted and honest
access to these cave diving accident reports then that has to be good.

If a result of that is a more open and honest dialogue about technique, then
that would have to be good. At some point people of good will have to be
willing to sit down to talk and to do that some of the rancor has to be set
aside.

If there are bad practices at work, that will come out, but only if there is
a dialogue. The "You suck," "No YOU suck" model of debate isn't getting
anywhere I think. You have a diving system and it works. If the Hogarthians
couldn't talk about it I would not have learned about it and might never
have adopted the model. At some point, you adopted and adapted it. Things
change.

Besides, this has got to be more interesting than nail fungus.

Later,

JoeL

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