Dell, this is all bullshit - the only recovery any of you have come up
with the correct answer on was the one where you were there for the
accident and then for the one what Lamar did the rescue, you guys STILL
did not point oiut the obvious stroke bullshit that took place because
you all are too busy covering for the past and ongoing stupidity of the
dive training agencies, bad practices, bad gear, and bad thinking, and
you do not want ot hurt any of your customrs' feelings.

I do agree that discussing it publicly brings out the idiots, but then
they ar merely suggesting the solutions aht they were taught- all
bullshit .

By the way, you left out a ton of details on the Madiosn fatality. Gee,
I wonder why?

By the way, Dell, can you answer the question, "which is the correct
post for the long hose?" The dumb fuck at Dive Rite whom I spoke to
about it told me "there is no correct post" - wrong answer. Now you try.

Dell Motes wrote:
> 
> Joel,
> The IUCRR is the "organization" you are evidently referring to.
> I personally posted to the lists the Madison Blue double fatality, in which
> myself, Lamar Hires and Mike Bruic did the recovery. This was met with sheer
> abject stupidity, which I should have known would come. That was my first
> and last attempt to "inform" anyone that you think may need to know on these
> "lists". The Little River fatality that Lamar and I also did the recovery on
> was C.c. to the lists from the Recovery list. This report was also in U.W.S.
> , which you admit you don't subscribe to either news letter which the
> reports have been in.
> The IUCRR involves a huge number of people, not just here in Florida but
> throughout the world, all volunteers.
> The IUCRR just had a full day workshop on Memorial day to train divers in
> interview techniques, evidence gathering and discussed overall ethics. A
> large part of this was under the direct training of a Law Enforcement
> officer, (thanks Mike) who runs and trains police recovery teams.  This
> workshop included regional co-ordinators from Germany, Italy and Australia
> to name a few. We then trained them in actual recovery techniques, on dry
> land, then applied in the water, in the cave, with an actual diver with
> various "cause of death" scenarios.
> Some of these very same newly trained divers then recovered another Little
> River fatality the day after this workshop.
> So Joel, what is the point you are trying to make ????
> The only one I see is that you are somewhat out of the loop by your own
> admission and choice.
> Dell Motes
> Dive Rite
> 117 W.Washington St.
> Lake City, Florida 32055
> www.dive-rite.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel Markwell <joeldm@mi*.co*>
> To: Peter Fjelsten <fjelsten@ma*.do*.dk*>; Michael J. Black
> <mjblackmd@ya*.co*>
> Cc: Techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 3:55 AM
> Subject: Re: An idea for you? (was: Re: Deep Tech)
> 
> >on 6/5/00 7:55 PM, Peter Fjelsten at fjelsten@ma*.do*.dk* wrote:
> >
> >> 5) Go away.
> >
> >
> >I don't know why you guys care so much about MJB so much. Are you bored?
> >Every creative set of insults that you spend your own time writing and
> >posting just increases his profile by that much.
> >
> >Every time you respond to some pointless BS that he proposes you validate
> >him to others to that extent. Isn't there something better to discuss?
> >
> >You have already lost the argument by acknowledging him at all past the
> >point it was obvious that he is not a responsible diver much less a tech
> >diver.
> >
> >Now this absurd direct approach: "Go Away . . . " You guys crack me up.
> >
> >Let him talk. I actually kind of enjoy it for the comedy relief. And don't
> >worry because no one takes him seriously that is serious.
> >
> >Continue the conversations that matter to tech divers . . . like why we
> >never seem to see accident analysis reports months and sometimes years
> after
> >cave accidents when there is an organization that has been floating around
> >for some time that is supposed to be devoted to coordinating rescues and
> >recoveries and are supposed to make reports on those accidents.
> >
> >I'm not taking either of the cave diving newsletters these days, have any
> of
> >the reports surfaced there? How many deaths have there been in the last 3
> >years? What were the causes? How many AA reports have been delivered in
> some
> >form to cave divers in general?
> >
> >And why are you so vocally pissed at this loser when there are so many
> >issues that affect training and safety directly. How many of you have
> gotten
> >involved in these discussions? Or is this too relevant?
> >
> >Later,
> >
> >JoeL
> >
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