Joel,
Who exactly would you like to do the AA on these past accidents???
The IUCRR was only recently formed. You referred to this organization as if
it was suddenly responsible for compiling and distributing all this past
info, when it is still in it's infancy in organization and scope.
Are you offering your services to do an accurate assessment and publish your
findings on all these accidents ?
The "clique' comments are a waste of time, as I am neither a member of the
CDS, NACD, GUE, IANTD or any others.
As far as excluding GUE, I believe that Jarrod, Ted and a few others are on
the Recovery list. If not, I'm sure they will correct me. They have also
done recoveries.
Why do people constantly attempt to drive a wedge between GUE and everybody
else ???
Jarrod knows I support and admire his work and drive to do something he
truly believes in. I have had more than one conversation
with him concerning various issues, and they have all been very positive and
enlightening.
It seems the favorite catalyst is to cry foul, and label something
"political" or "cliquish" when it usually comes down to someones valuable
time and volunteer work.
Joel, if you know someone who can compile this info and evaluate it to your
liking and speed, please make the effort to put them in contact with Henry.
Dell Motes
Dive Rite
117 W.Washington St.
Lake City, Florida 32055
www.dive-rite.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Markwell <joeldm@mi*.co*>
To: Dell Motes <dell@di*.co*>; recoverydivers
<recoverydivers@ca*.co*>
Cc: Techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: An idea for you? (was: Re: Deep Tech)


>on 6/6/00 1:48 PM, Dell Motes at dell@di*.co* wrote:
>
>> So Joel, what is the point you are trying to make ????
>> The only one I see is that you are somewhat out of the loop by your own
>> admission and choice.
>
>Dell,
>
>That's what I'm trying to get clear. So you are saying that in each of the
>accidents over the past three-five years AA style reports were made and
>published in Underwater Speleology and/or the NACD Journal? Not reports of
>the death, but actual considered analysis of the accidents? My
understanding
>is that at this time Jeff Bozanic has all these reports, is this correct?
>Since those numbers are readily available, what are they? How many deaths
>over the last three years and which issues of UWS will I find all of these
>reports in?
>
>I do, BTW, have access to all UWS issues, I just don't subscribe and with
>larger numbers of cave divers now joining other organizations like GUE, who
>also don't subscribe, it seems a tad cliquish to only post such info in UWS
>and/or the NACD Journal. I've looked on the IUCRR website in past weeks and
>found no reports. I looked on the CDS website and found their IUCRR link
but
>no reports. I looked in the CDS NEWS section and found one report of a
>diving death, but it was more of an obituary, of Dr. Henry Kendall. No
>actual AA reports there either. And since it takes about 5 minutes or less
>to flow text into an HTML document and have it posted online I don't
>understand why that isn't being done? It's far easier to publish online
than
>in a newsletter.
>
>Why has this important area become so difficult and so apparently
political?
>This is info that is useful and important to divers worldwide, yet for
>someone as connected as I am I can't get or find timely reports. One or two
>reports, second-hand, sure. If you have the Little River report could you
>post it here? I'll put them on my web page. Also, if I understand this
>correctly, the report you made on the Mad Blue recovery was made by members
>of the recovery team and not made through the IUCRR chain which is supposed
>to result in a report, would that be accurate?
>
>Any effort to report analysis of dive deaths is to be commended. I wouldn't
>let the static here on Techdiver dissuade me from posting info that is
>critical to everyone's safety. You do appear to be posting on Techdiver
>after all.
>
>The most formative document of my cave diving evolution was the little blue
>book, Basic Cave Diving - A Blueprint for Survival by Sheck Exley. Each
>chapter started with the report and analysis of a cave diving accident or
>death. I remember an article in an old UWS entitled BEYOND MAXIMUM STUPID
>that also outlined an accident and cave safety. These are important
>documents. This is information that really means something and should not
be
>political, should not be held hostage by one group or set of groups.
>
>Now that the IUCRR has broken free of the CDS and NACD and is an
independent
>organization, I hope that Henry Nicholson (the interim director) will push
>for timely reports made publicly in all venues. The info should be made
>available to each organization and online on their webpage. First, though,
>the keeper of the archives needs to make it available in some fashion, even
>if it's only by SASE mail. Whatever.
>
>And maybe someday divers looking for safety and accident info won't get
lame
>comments like:
>
>> The only one I see is that you are somewhat out of the loop by your own
>> admission and choice.
>
>Which essentially says, "Hey, you're not part of OUR clique, so tough nuts,
>you don't get the information you need!"
>
>So who owns the "loop", Dell? You?
>
>Later,
>
>JoeL
>
>

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