Joel,
The IUCRR is the "organization" you are evidently referring to.
I personally posted to the lists the Madison Blue double fatality, in which
myself, Lamar Hires and Mike Bruic did the recovery. This was met with sheer
abject stupidity, which I should have known would come. That was my first
and last attempt to "inform" anyone that you think may need to know on these
"lists". The Little River fatality that Lamar and I also did the recovery on
was C.c. to the lists from the Recovery list. This report was also in U.W.S.
, which you admit you don't subscribe to either news letter which the
reports have been in.
The IUCRR involves a huge number of people, not just here in Florida but
throughout the world, all volunteers.
The IUCRR just had a full day workshop on Memorial day to train divers in
interview techniques, evidence gathering and discussed overall ethics. A
large part of this was under the direct training of a Law Enforcement
officer, (thanks Mike) who runs and trains police recovery teams.  This
workshop included regional co-ordinators from Germany, Italy and Australia
to name a few. We then trained them in actual recovery techniques, on dry
land, then applied in the water, in the cave, with an actual diver with
various "cause of death" scenarios.
Some of these very same newly trained divers then recovered another Little
River fatality the day after this workshop.
So Joel, what is the point you are trying to make ????
The only one I see is that you are somewhat out of the loop by your own
admission and choice.
Dell Motes
Dive Rite
117 W.Washington St.
Lake City, Florida 32055
www.dive-rite.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Markwell <joeldm@mi*.co*>
To: Peter Fjelsten <fjelsten@ma*.do*.dk*>; Michael J. Black
<mjblackmd@ya*.co*>
Cc: Techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 3:55 AM
Subject: Re: An idea for you? (was: Re: Deep Tech)


>on 6/5/00 7:55 PM, Peter Fjelsten at fjelsten@ma*.do*.dk* wrote:
>
>> 5) Go away.
>
>
>I don't know why you guys care so much about MJB so much. Are you bored?
>Every creative set of insults that you spend your own time writing and
>posting just increases his profile by that much.
>
>Every time you respond to some pointless BS that he proposes you validate
>him to others to that extent. Isn't there something better to discuss?
>
>You have already lost the argument by acknowledging him at all past the
>point it was obvious that he is not a responsible diver much less a tech
>diver.
>
>Now this absurd direct approach: "Go Away . . . " You guys crack me up.
>
>Let him talk. I actually kind of enjoy it for the comedy relief. And don't
>worry because no one takes him seriously that is serious.
>
>Continue the conversations that matter to tech divers . . . like why we
>never seem to see accident analysis reports months and sometimes years
after
>cave accidents when there is an organization that has been floating around
>for some time that is supposed to be devoted to coordinating rescues and
>recoveries and are supposed to make reports on those accidents.
>
>I'm not taking either of the cave diving newsletters these days, have any
of
>the reports surfaced there? How many deaths have there been in the last 3
>years? What were the causes? How many AA reports have been delivered in
some
>form to cave divers in general?
>
>And why are you so vocally pissed at this loser when there are so many
>issues that affect training and safety directly. How many of you have
gotten
>involved in these discussions? Or is this too relevant?
>
>Later,
>
>JoeL
>
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